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Boston College ousts Yale as poll’s No. 1 team

Boston College is back where it started the season — atop the USCHO.com Division I Men’s Poll.

The Eagles, winners of 10 of their last 11 games, received 41 of 50 first-place votes to displace Yale as the nation’s top-ranked team.

Yale slipped to third after losses at Union and Rensselaer.

Denver moved up one spot to second, while Minnesota-Duluth jumped to No. 4, displacing North Dakota, now at No. 5.

New Hampshire rose to No. 6, Wisconsin jumped to seven, Michigan dropped two places to No. 8, and RPI and Notre Dame switched spots, with RPI moving to No. 9.

Union climbs up two ranks to No. 11, Merrimack does the same to No. 12, while Miami falls two spots to No. 13. Boston University goes from No. 16 to 14 and Maine falls three to round out the top 15.

Western Michigan, with the nation’s longest unbeaten streak at 11 games, rises one spot to No. 16, Dartmouth jumps one to No. 17, Nebraska-Omaha falls three to 18, and Princeton (No. 19) and Colorado College (No. 20) remain the same as last week.

 


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  • Mike

    GO BC

    • Mkflynn674

      Can you say repeat? Just hope we get a chance to knock off NoDak again along the way … we missed you guys last year!

      • fightingsioux4ever

        Can’t wait to see you there. GO SIOUX!

  • Letshearsomeexcuses

    This is a terrible article. It probably isn’t worth this poor guys time who has to write it. Yale fans can kiss that 1 rank goodbye for the year with a solid performance this weekend. Sometimes you need a little more than just good grades to get the job done.

    • You_Must_Be_From_North_Dakota

      Lets hear some excuses?

      How about they lost two games? Another team took over the top spot. It’s that simple. Happens about a half dozen times a year in a typical season. Do you have a point? Of course you don’t.

    • ShinnyGuy

      Nicely done: Putting down the importance of grades to college students. Yale, far from a hockey factory, is doing a great job. No hockey scholarships at Yale. Can your school say the same?

      • Anonymous

        Lets be honest… every school in the country has sports scholarships. They say they dont, but they do. Big schools have boosters and those boosters pay to see their school win games. Yes, it even happens for hockey, and yes it even happens at Yale.

        • Guest

          As a follower of ECAC hockey, some of the arguments made on this Site are painful but tough to dispute. For instance, the ECAC really is a relatively weak conference traditionally. But here’s another fact that is totally indisputable – the Ivy League does not have athletic scholarships. And it doesn’t have proxies for scholarships or scholarships disguised as something else. Period. Yes, there are combinations of loans and grants that make an Ivy League education more reasonable for some students, and some athletes under some circumstances do get to take advantage of those packages. But it’s nothing like being offered free tuition and stipends. That is, grant and loan packages include large sums of debt, are dependent on family income and require recipients to work though school. For better or for worse, violinists and chemistry prodigies have just as much access to these benefits as hockey players. More importantly, no aspiring college hockey player (or his folks) thinks that these Ivy-League packages are the same as scholarships. Those are the facts: the Ivies have a huge recruiting disadvantage, at least with respect to money. That’s precisely why the ECAC is traditionally weaker. You can’t have it both ways.

          • letshearsomeexcuses

            way to take the article about EZAC no more and make it your own. Great job

          • B.D,

            If full fiscal accounting were performed on student athletes from Ivy Schools, you will find their outlays for edication are significantly less than their average students compatriots.

            Does anyone really think that the entire Yale team finishes four years of college $120,000 in debt?

          • hahahahahaha

            Do you have numbers to back up what you’re saying?

          • B.D.

            Yes.
            My sister attended Yale ten years ago and it cost her roughly $28,000 per year.
            My brother attended Brown 15 years ago and it cost roughly $20,000 per year.
            Normalizing the data, lets say that a good Ivy education in adjusted dollars is $40,000 now.
            Lets assume that each student attending an Ivy school gets $10K of that knocked off for good behavior.
            After four years each Hockey player would then have been expected to shell out $120K.

  • collegehockeyfan

    Nice to see a change for once, BC definitely deserves to be there.

  • MP

    There’s your National Championship BC. Enjoy the only # 1 spot you will see this year! Fighting Sioux will enjoy their 8th National title this April. No matter what, BC will always ride the coat tails of UND.

    • Anonymous

      going to guess you aren’t even a Sioux fan and are just looking to get people to hate on us more…

      • MP

        Your first guess is wrong. Second, so called fans UND who leave comments like that, I question your man hood. You’ re definitely not a Sioux fan.

        • Anonymous

          That makes no sense…..

    • CD

      2 out of the last three championships… and jobs for graduates… yeah I’ll take BC over UND any day. BC gets their third in four years for sure.

      • Jdfhere

        Based on the last 3 years, why don’t we just exclude any team that isn’t in Hockey East….there’s some history there…go Eagles

        • je

          based on years we don’t cherry pick….

          hockey east = 7 titles
          http://www.hockeyeastonline.com/men/tourney/heancaas.php

          wcha = 36 (30 by current members)
          http://www.prohockeynews.com/hockey/publish/ncaa/ncaa_f4_wcha_primer.shtml

          now, about that history….

        • je

          and based on years you don’t cherry pick….

          hockey east = 7 titles

          ccha = 17 titles (11 if you don’t include the 5 by UM and 1 by MSU while in the WCHA)

          wcha = 36 (30 by current members)

          now, about that history….

          • Bjdevereux

            JE – Hockey East has only been around for 26 years – 7 for 26 is a nice number

          • je

            you’re right, it’s not too shabby.

            averaging it out that’s roughly a championship every 3.7 yrs for HE.
            BUT….
            the CCHA, founded in 1971, wins every 3.6 yrs (based off their 11 titles (since 6 won by UM & MSU were while they were member of the WCHA).
            and the WCHA, founded in 1951, wins roughly every 1.6 yrs (every 2 yrs even if you remove those UM and MSU titles).

            so unless my remedial math is failing me, the ccha numbers are close, but the wcha numbers sound much nicer — whether you look at the # of seasons played per title (1.6 WCHA vs 3.6 CCHA vs 3.7 HE), the raw numbers (total wins = 36 WCHA vs 11 CCHA vs 7 HE), as a % of nat’l titles overall (56% WCHA vs 26% CCHA vs 11% HE)… they all break the same.

            And this holds true, albeit less dramatically so, even if you break down any (or all) of the above numbers since the inception of HE in 1984 — since then, HE has 7 titles, the CCHA & WCHA both have 9.

            now…. hockey east is strong no doubt. but i was merely suggesting that Jdfhere be a little realistic. 3 yrs is a short span in the grand scheme of things. if HE can keep it up, more power to em. but for now, i just thought we should temper that exuberance with a few cold hard facts.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFPYV33ZLEOJSQ3AEUOB5ABFSI Chris

            Historically, the total numbers since the 1951 WCHA founding are impressive for the WCHA, but a look at a more realistic sample size might be more helpful considering the relatively uncompetitive nature of college hockey at the advent of the national tourney system. Michigan accounted for 6 of the first 9 championships for example.

            Going back 20 years to 1991 with NMU’s title there has been at least one HE finalist in 17 out of last the 20 finals of which HE has won 7 titles. WCHA also has won 7 titles over that same span with at least one finalist in 11 out of 20 finals. CCHA has 6 titles with finalists in 9 out of the last 20 finals and the ECAC strikes out over the same period.

            Just throwing some numbers out there to help support the argument that the last 3 years is a short span, but 20 years certainly shows a pretty clear pattern of elite play by HE that some “may” consider superior to the other conferences. (Note: my bad if any of my arithmetic was off. using INCH.com)

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFPYV33ZLEOJSQ3AEUOB5ABFSI Chris

            By instituting your incredibly short-sighted exception, Hockey East has 11 titles including 3 by BU while in ECAC and 1 by BC in’49. Was that even a complete thought you posted or were you in the process of finishing it and got caught up?

          • Anonymous

            congrats…. HE and the CCHA are still dwarfed by the WCHA

          • je

            chill dbag. yeah, i wrote it quick. i should have listed the 11 titles for CCHA first (and put the 17 in parentheses). my mistake. but still…. it should be plainly obvious what i’m getting at, that is, if you’re not a complete idjit.

            i simply listed the two CCHA and WCHA totals because they’re linked. in other words, UM & MSU moved from the WCHA to the CCHA, so those titles belong to one league or the other. and since they were won as members of the WCHA, i would say they belong to the WCHA. but some people are bound to dispute it, which is why i listed them.

            so fine…. it should have read HE 7, CCHA 11 (17), WCHA 36 (30).

            but i was going by what league they were in while they actually won the title, which would explain why i listed the WCHA as having 36 (which would take away / or account for those 6 titles listed directly above it, won by UM & MSU).

            feels like i’m talking to a 2 yr old that can’t put two and two together.

            and fine, you want to count the 4 titles won by BU/BC towards the HE total when it wasn’t even in existence. go ahead if it makes you feel better.

            here… HE 11, CCHA 11, WCHA 36… better? meanwhile, the HE still pales in comparison to the WCHA.

          • Anonymous

            No one disputes your superiority in the 1950s and 1960s. The world domination troika was basically WCHA, USSR, and Hula Hoops. Congratulations.

          • je

            guess reading isn’t one of your strong suits.

            counting only the years since HE came into existence, the CCHA and WCHA still have more titles.

          • Anonymous

            Hockey East has been around 26 years. The post to which I responded seems to address a greater number of years. Perhaps I am, as you suggest, misreading it; but I think the “WCHA 36″ ought to be sufficient for you to see the erroI am not doing sor.

          • Eagles30

            If one counts the old ECAC w HE Since 1948 ECAC/HE has 15 Titles. As a former BC player, In Think there are many Tremendous programs thru out The NCAA and we all know there are about 10 teams in the US that could get hot and win the Frozen Four Kudos to all that is what makes NCAA hockey so Great!! A hot Goalie and a Feb Mar. april Run can do it.
            I will also say I am very proud to Have Coach York and his staff run a clean no BS program. I also admire the way he credits the players for winning instead of trying to take the credit for himself. He always seems to have them clicking come March – April That is all you can ask for The lucky bounces and hot tender will determine the Rest!! Kudos to York Et All!!!
            Ps get ready for the next shake up when Minn and Wiconsin leavefor the new Big 10 hockey w M MS PState The big 10 network wants this !!

          • je

            no doubt. york is a tremendous coach. and BC is one of the true elite programs.

          • Css228

            He picked those years because the HE conference didn’t exist before then. If you’re going to cherry pick a group of years Id say the modern era post great divorce would be a pretty good one to pick

  • DU

    No need to argue, Denver will oust BC shortly

    • Tr0823

      You forget-BC beat Denver this year 6-2 & 3-0 at Denver.

      • bufan25

        And as someone who was at one of those games, it wasn’t even competitive.

      • DU

        We’ll just let the remainder of the season speak for itself. DU is a young team and had to work out the kinks in the beginning of the season. They have been playing much better hockey in the latest half of their season. But no argument about the blowout at Denver, pios just did not show up to play hockey that weekend.

  • Puck

    Polls this time of year don’t matter … Yale will rip it up in the offseason … hopefully BC can go far enough in the tourney that Yale gets another shot at them

    • Letshearsomeexcuses

      Are you talking about finals weeks. You can’t be talking about the NCAA tourney. Yale can’t even beat Air Force

      • Puck

        Actually, I was talking about what they are going to do on the ice, but you make a great point, they will rip it up in the classroom as well … thanks for pointing that out

        • Jabfoadj

          @puck…are you kidding me? Yale will not even get through the NCCA first round. Just look at the teams they have been playing. I’m sure even Merrimack can beat Yale at any given time, not that am a Merrimack fan, but that’s how good they are compared to these Ivy League teams.

          • Puck

            Have you even seen Yale play this year? I have been watching college hockey for 25 yrs and Yale is one of the top 5 best teams in that time. I am looking forward to reading this board in a couple of months after Yale has won it all.

          • letshearsomeexcuses

            You would be more useful leading some study sessions because Yale won’t be there. Are you saying top 5 Yale team or top 5 out of all teams for 25 years. If so I don’t think you are going to have much of a argument since Yale has never even played in a title game. Yale fans are lost without an argument now that they don’t have the 1 rank trump card.

          • Puck

            First of all, I don’t particularly consider myself a Yale fan. Unlike everyone else commenting on this site, I am impartial.

            Second, I meant top 5 all time.

          • Jabfoadj

            @puck…well, like you said haha we will see who wins it all in few more months. I will hold my stand that Yale will not advance from the first round in the NCAA’s. And like you said if….just if they make it and have the privilege to play with BC in the Final or Final four it would be a massacre lol!
            I’m a Maine fan, and Maine beat BC at home petty bad 2 weeks ago, and we lost to BC twice away.That is how good teams play. But Yale would be speechless if they play against UNH,BC,MAINE,MC or even teams like North Dakota and Denver. It’s just complete luck and a pretty damn easy schedule they got this year. I’m sure BC,ND or Denver would have won all their regular season games if they had a schedule like Yale.

          • Css228

            Ivy League teams like the one the greatest college hockey player of all time Ken Dryden suited up on, or the one Joe Nieuwendyk suited up for. That’s just offensive that you think just because these teams are ivies mean they’re no good. On a normal year, Cornell could go anywhere in the country and outplay anyone. Wisconsin had to go to 3OT to deny them a frozen four bid a few years ago, Minnesota had to go to OT too. And Yale is probably better than either of those Cornell teams. Ivies can play hockey. After all, isn’t an Ivy the only team ever to finish a college hockey season undefeated.

          • B.D.

            And they play mostly Ivy teams. Why is that?

            Want to prove yourselves? come to the Ralph in the middle of January some time. Playing Dartmouth, Air Force, etc doesn’t do it.

          • Css228

            Yeah given that season came in 1970 when BU, BC,an all those Hockey East teams were still in the conference I’m just not buying what youre selling. Yeah I’d love it if Yale would go up to UND, and I’m sure UND would reciprocate. However most WCHA teams just don’t. Do you really expect Cornell or Yale or Harvard, with their 7 NC games allowed (2 of which are tied up in tourneys) to go out Minnesota without a guarantee of a home game some time. Another example, Cornell played St. Cloud and Maine in a holiday tourney this year and played UNH at home. Played UNH and beat them on the road last year. St. Cloud isnt great this year but theyre usually good, and main was great too. Next year, Cornell and BU are set to go at each other again at MSG. I’d love for Cornell to go to Chestnut Hill and play BC, but BC would have to promise to come to Lynah sometime too. I’m sure Yale feels as strongly about that as Cornell does. This is not an incrimination of UND, as theyve been very good at reciprocating, but the rest of the WCHA isnt as good at it. SImply put you cant complain about not being scheduled if you make it difficult to schedule, Trust me, I’ve seen with my own eyes. These Ivy squads can skate. Were just going to have to wait till March to prove it. Which shouldnt be a big deal. If UND is that much better than Yale, then they can got through Yale as a number 1 if they have to. Let it play out on the ice not the blogosphere

          • B.D.

            THe issue is that the ECAC Teams do not come out west. It seems they save their non-conference games to go against nearby schools that they can travel to in an hour by bus. Possibly because it is cheaper, but also because they can scratch the itch of local fans.

            But it does lead to an insular culture…

          • Css228

            Agreed to a certain extent, but I’m just speaking with Cornell’s experience. we don’t play the WCHA too often save a weekend holiday tourney, but we do make sure to try and play BU on neutral ice every other year. We just did a home and home with UNH. We played RIT, who made last year’s frozen four. We could have done without the UAH series and we threw away one NC game on Colgate (still don’t get why we did that), but it seems to me as if we did a fairly good job scheduling NC games that werent easy. IF the ivies were allowed more than 7 NC games I guarentee you’d see them out west more. Though I think Cornell came to grand forks a few years ago.

          • B.D.

            Yeah, I wish they were allowed more Non conference games and do no t understand why they are not.

            I cannot recall Cornell coming to North Dakota, but would not be surprised. For the past ten years quite a few teams have travelled to Grand Forks to play, possibly just to get the experience of playing at the Ralph.

          • Css228

            I know for a fact we went to Yost in the 90s, As for the whole why they are not, I’m a Cornell student and I don’t understand, probably for a similar reason that Ivies don’t compete in the NCAA Division I AA Football playoffs. I mean there’s not a ton of money in the athletic program relative to the schools overall budget (I say this also as an athlete), but I doubt thats why they don’t play more non-conference games, rather explaining why they’d go to HE and CCHA teams before WCHA teams. As for playing in Grand Forks just for the experience of the Ralph I’m pretty sure that the one ECAC team that doesn’t need to learn how to play in a loud building is Cornell. That said I really am hoping that we get something either with you guys, Duluth or Minnesota before I graduate.

          • B.D.

            Loud?
            That is a rather simplistic way to describe it.
            I would rather characterize it as a location that fully supports their team.
            Two quick stories:
            1.) In the early 1980′s the final four was held at UND. UND had narrowly missed the tourney, losing to Wisconsin. Harvard did make the tourney however, and we North Dakotans who watched the tourney were amused at the Harvard fans who nearly all seemed to wear matching twead jackets with matching Crimson scarves. THey also were so wooden one would assume ther were cigar store indians. Wisconsin observed this and actually coined a chant that I can still hear in my head “Haaaaaaaaa-Vaaaahhhhhhd” pronounced in an extreme brahmin accent.

            2.) Years later I watched Princeton play Yale. The one thing that came to my mind was that the crowd did not even know they were observing a hockey game. Goals were greeted with reserved applause and scattered clapping. Body checking or other forms of physical play were pooh-pooh’d

            I came away both times convinced that I was watching teams that were not supported.

          • Css228

            You do realize that every ECAC squad hates us because we have some fo the best traveling fans ever. The other schools in the ECAC really aren’t great atmospheres for hockey (with the exception of the north country and the capital district) My point was more that Lynah is a WCHA atmosphere in an ECAC barn. Its like the Cameron Indoor of College Hockey (although I wish I had a different metaphor as a Carolina fan). Yost stole a lot of its cheers from us. Come check out Red Hot Hockey at MSG next season and you’ll see the lower bowl filled with Red and White jerseys. And when we go on the road, because we’ve dominated the ECAC for so long, we get better crowds against us than most other ECAC schools would ever get. However I’ll say I went to Hobey over break and the Hobey fans were terrible, thank god the Faithful were there to make that a fun game. My point was just Cornell plays in Lynah all the time, which matches any atmosphere anywhere, anytime, when we go the Starr or Cheel or Appelton, we get crazy crowds there. The Big Red are the one ECAC team that doesn’t need to go to UND to find out what a big game atmosphere is like (though if we did I’m sure you’d find that there would be Cornell fans at the Ralph). That said, I’m not disagreeing that many other ECAC fan bases suck.

          • B.D.

            Sounds like it, I will take your word for it as I have never seen Cornell play back east.

          • Css228

            I just looked it up. We played UND @ Lynah last year for a weekend series (that was split), @ UND in the 2008-2009 season (also split), UMD on neutral ice in 2005-2006 (tie although this was the Estero tourney we always play), so there have been occasional attempts to play WCHA competition. I can’t find Yale as easily though since they don’t have a great database on results

    • Jdfhere

      It will be a replay of last year’s game at the Regionals….go Eagles

      • Puck

        BC has to get that far

    • je

      offseason eh? yeah, i think their season will end early too.

    • Guest

      BC would donkey punch Yale even worse this year

      • Puck

        BC will have to get that far for us to find out … I hope that they can get there

      • better_luck_next_time

        Wow, you really have it in for Yale. You must have been rejected.

        • Guest

          didn’t apply to Yale, went to Northwestern and now Johns Hopkins. I hope to see something like BC, Yale and a few WCHAers. would be great to watch!

          • B.D.

            Johns Hopkins campus in Fells Point? Ooooh, thats a tough neighborhood…

      • BulldogBlue

        looks like what this hayseed is saying (think it’s laughable some of these buffalo ranchers use the term rube — that went out in 1919) is that he needs BC to knock off Yale because UND can’t or won’t get the chance when they get placed out in Bridgeport after they finish second in the conference to Denver and lose out in the tourney.

  • Youcanthandlethetruth

    O ye scholars of North Dakota. Let’s take a look at what interferes with the Sioux from getting ice time

    Jake Marto, Frattin and Dell major in Tourism and Recreation studies
    Hextall majors in pre-entrepreneurship
    LaPointe majors in Geography

    So some of the top players are burdened from learning how to use the computer to check you into a Super 8, some of them are busy finding Where’s Waldo (using Carmen Sandiego for help) and the other one is not learning about how to start a business but learning how to learn how to start a business.

    Add into that getting into fights with locals at Lucy’s Tavern and there you have your number 5 ranked team in the country.

    • SiouxminnyMablood

      Wow! You really must be some kind of a hockey rube to have that much time looking up college hockey players majors. It’s a hockey factory. Why does UND ruffle your feathers so much? If i’m not mistaken most of the players that leave early or graduate are playing in the NHL or the next closest league. Why you so bitter?

      • mostly

        Why does UND ruffle your feathers so much?

        Maybe it’s because your fellow “fans” from UND have been whining for two solid months about Yale being number one. Act with class and you shall receive courtesy in return.

        • B.D.

          When you take into account the point of origination for the votes used to rank the teams, it is EXPECTED that an east coast team will have a higher likelihood to reaching the top of the rankings. Most votes originate from the east coast.

          A sports writer in NYC will likely have been to Connecticut, but doubtless has never watched a game at the Ralph.

          This particular “Unfairness” has been well known in the west for decades. We understand it, but it does give us a certain pride that YOU might construe as a chip on our shoulder.

          Years ago I watched TV Coverage of the final four on ESPN and was amazed to hear the commentators who were from the east coast just naturally assume that North Dakota was the underdog compared to “Those great Eastern Teams.” The Commentators were well versed in the rosters of the eastern teams, but could not pronounce the UND players names correctly nor even identify where UND was located, making the mistake of assuming at one time it was Fargo, at another time assuming it was SIOUX FALLS.

          Oh, by the way, UND won.

          • Ed Trefzger

            B.D. wrote: “When you take into account the point of origination for the votes used to rank the teams, it is EXPECTED that an east coast team will have a higher likelihood to reaching the top of the rankings. Most votes originate from the east coast.”

            I’m wondering where you think you even have the knowledge to make that statement. The voters are distributed all across the country and the coaches who vote are distributed among all of the leagues. Every effort is made by USCHO to choose the voters so there is a balance regionally. For you to say otherwise is to spread misinformation deliberately.

          • B.D.

            If you have something to dispute my comments, then I guess both you and I will have to call for the Voters to be revealed by location. I predict more voters will be found in the New York Metro area than will be found in the state of North Dakota, northern Minnesota, and all of the plains states.

            When polling indicates schools like Quinnipiac, RIT, Niagara, Robert Morris, Northeastern receive votes it is indicative of a certain level of a skew in the database.

          • Ed Trefzger

            Considering that I have the list in front of me, I guess I have first hand knowledge. But I can’t make the list public. However, your predictions are baloney.There are a total of 50 voters. 28 of the voters are coaches. Zero are in the New York Metro area. Which means there are more voters in Grand Forks than there are in NYC. Let me put it this way: except for a couple of nationally-based writers, every voter is in the same city as a D-I hockey school.The reason schools like Quinnipiac, RIT, Niagara, Robert Morris, or Northeastern get votes is because people who see those teams or oppose those teams vote for them. How anyone in the NYC Metro would be seeing some of them is beyond me.Do you know any geography? Do you know it’s 350 miles to RIT or Robert Morris from NYC (like driving from Grand Forks to Mankato), seven hours to Niagara Falls (about 150 miles further than Grand Forks to Duluth), or that Northeastern is in Boston, which is twice as far from NYC as Grand Forks is from Bemidji?Bottom line: you’re wrong. You can keep making excuses for the polls, but the voter distribution is spread equally across all regions and in cities with college hockey.

          • BD

            So, you have the list.
            I will attempt to ask questions that will not get you in trouble by revealing names or locations.
            Q: How many of the voters originate in the original 13 colonies?
            Q: How many of the voter originate from west of the Mississippi river.
            Q: You said that coaches from some of the schools are represented. How many from the ECAC? Hockey East? WCHA? CCHA?
            Q What do you consider the New York City Metropolitan area? Does it extend 150 Miles (Here in the west we would consider at least that as a market area for a college sport. More likely closer to 300 miles.)

          • Ed Trefzger

            Q1 and Q2: If you split the 50 voters geographically, you’ll find 15 from west of the Mississippi, 15 from the midwest and 20 from the original 13. Based on the number of teams in each region, the east is underrepresented, as half of college hockey is in the original 13 colonies.

            Q3: Each league has 5 or 6 coaches each.

            Q4: The NYC metro is the assortment of counties in NYC itself, adjacent to it in New York State and adjoining NJ and CT, basically about 50-60 miles. 20 million people live there. The nearest college hockey is at West Point. NYC press barely notices college hockey. 300 miles is absurd unless you consider Bemidji and Duluth in the same metro area as Grand Forks. The greater Grand Forks metropolitan statistical area includes Grand Forks County, ND and Polk County, MN. Hardly 150 to 300 miles.

          • B.D.

            Interesting, I take it you are the polls administrator?

            If so please take some time and explain the methodology that has been chosen for the respondant selections. If this is avaialable online and I have missed it I apologize.

            I am interested how you chose coaches, and from which regions.

            As I am sure you realize the issue of regaionality is a double headed sword. You say that our metropolitan area extends to only Grand Forks and Polk counties but that would be incorrect. You will find a large UND following in Bemidji due to the nature of the lake country lure of North Dakotans. Likewise few North Dakotans have any animous for BSU or Minnesota Duluth and would be expected to rank them higher than eastern schools which are not in the region.

            The fact that virtually all the Eastern Teams could all fit in the geographic region fitting between Grand Forks, Bemidji, and MSP causes such a distortion. A sports writer or follower in Connecticut will looks first to the schools immediately surrounding him in the New York, New Hamshire, Massachussetts, Rhode Island, Maine, and Pennsylvania areas. Little else will be immediately apparent.

            I am sure you are familiar with the concept of “Flyover Country” and the effect of the LOC’s on the East and West Coast have in ignoring the vast bulk of the country. As someone from North Dakota who has spent the majority of his life living elsewhere I have witnessed it first hand repetitively.

            Since college hockey essentially consists of 57 schools, why was the respondant pool limited to 50? The ORSA in me is curious.

      • Guest

        Like most of the top teams in the country clown…have an original thought that doesn’t apply to everyone.

    • B.D.

      Immaterial to the question. The question is “How good is the Hockey Team” not “What do YOU major in?”

    • Css228

      They couldnt find Waldo in the Big Red Pep Band if they tried. Then again I probably couldn’t either.

  • UNDalumCHITOWN

    Everybody wave goodbye to Yale……BYE YALE.

    It’s great to see a deserving team get the #1 nod this week.

    • Anonymous

      Just made my night reading this. haha so true.

    • Glad_To_Not_Live_In_ND

      I’m not a Yale fan but I think UNDalumCHITOWN and his ilk are the worst fans in college hockey. You guys have absolutely zero class. You’re the only ones making a big deal out of the rankings and trolling other team’s threads. Do you really have so little in your life that this is what makes you happy?

      • UNDalumCHITOWN

        Please, don’t patronize me. I don’t waste my time trolling other teams’ threads. How is it that you have so much more class than me yet complain like a child about my comments? Get real.

        I’m glad you don’t like in ND too.

        GO SIOUX.

        • UNDalumCHITOWN

          *live in.

        • Glad_To_Not_Live_In_ND

          OK, you only troll the threads on the polls. You leave trolling Yale thread in the forums to the other ill informed UND “fans”. As you may have noticed I said you and “your ilk” so every criticism may not apply directly to you.

          But calling me a whiner is hilarious. Really, I laughed. What do call complaining for two solid months with arguments that have no basis in logic? And your post above (“Wave goodbye to Yale”) reads like something an eight year old might say on the playground.

          I’m glad you don’t like in ND too.

          I actually have no problem with UND or the approximately 90 percent of your fans that aren’t complete douches. You’re embarrassing yourself and your school.

          • fightingsioux4ever

            Well, us UND fans sure stick together, cuz I agree. Yale s not the best team, and it took back to back losses for the pollers to see that. As far as embarrassing, get bent. UND fans are passionate if nothing else, but we stay true to the team. Didn’t get your team, but sounds like another disgruntled BU backer. GO SIOUX!

          • Glad_To_Not_Live_In_ND

            And by “staying true to the team” you mean denigrating other fan bases, entire leagues, and throwing logic out the window. Funny thing is that originally nobody attacked UND. As a group, you guys went nuts when Yale took the top spot and went over the top with attacking Yale and repeatedly using the term “EZAC”. Then you guys actually got indignant when people counter punched and made yourself out to be martyrs. Because the whole world is just out to get you guys.

            I don’t think any of you really grasp what a poll is. It’s a snapshot in time. That’s all. I don’t think Yale is the best team right now either. But two losses now doesn’t mean they weren’t the best team a few weeks ago or two months ago. And two months ago being number one didn’t mean they were going to win the title. Nobody ever said it did. And where I went to school isn’t relevant. But it wasn’t BU.

          • FightingSioux4ever

            No, the world isn’t out to get us. You’ve got a point, there. Then again, I never said they were. We’re talking about an NCAA powerhouse, a team that is always in the hunt come playoff time. It’s frustrating to watch them play good hockey against stiff opponents and not see them get rewarded with the top spot. UND usually gets of to a so-so start and then ramps it up going into the second half. This season has been a little different. The Sioux got spanked in Maine, outplayed badly that weekend, and then played great for 6 weeks. Looked like it was in the bag, considering their knack for the second-half surge. Then the Gophs came into the REA and beat them, straight-up. They rebound on Saturday, only to play their worst hockey against an underrated Nebraska-Omaha team. I’m not saying that they should be #1 right now, or anytime soon. The win in Duluth’s new arena was pretty convincing, and that was when they deserved to be on top. (Duluth was #2 at the time.)

            Spare me the indignant routine. I won’t defend every comment made by a Sioux fan, but you really don’t understand the depth of the WCHA. It would be nice to see Yale play a little more of the NCAA, considering there are a lot of good programs in that part of the country. I understand the fact that they are bound by league scheduling rules, but when was the last time Brown or Dartmouth ever meant anything in the big picture? Seriously, they have a lax schedule. Yes, they beat CC. Kudos, now do it again.

            That’s OK. I can’t wait for the playoffs to get going, cuz none of this really matters till it’s win or go home.

          • B.D.

            I must confess that when the Sioux are on, they seem virtually unbeatable. THe comparison of their passing skills alone rival the best in Olympic Hockey.

            When they lose focus they are TERRIBLE. Being that I now live in Arizona and am not privy to the local rumint I am not sure WHY they have been losing focus so frequently recently.

          • Glad_To_Not_Live_In_ND

            I understand the depth of the WCHA. You don’t understand that depth doesn’t preclude a team from another conference, even the ECAC, being number one in the polls.

            It’s frustrating to watch them play good hockey against stiff opponents and not see them get rewarded with the top spot.

            At least you’re honest. All of the other UND posters have been trying to simultaneously claim polls don’t matter to them while complaining about Yale.

    • Jrobishaw

      im a BC guy but i have to tip my cap to yale kids as the educational requirements are tough and the hockey is good in ecac but not as tough as hockey east,the best in the land

      • B.D.

        If the land only extends to Ohio…

  • Dutchmen1

    Actually UND NorthStars Not every school has scholarships. I went to Union College, (Also not mentioned here but doing fantastic this year… you can thank them for knocking Yale out of the top spot this past week) was in a fraternity with all hockey players, and NONE of them were on scholarship or received any financial booster money.

    A predominantly Division 3 school for every other sport, Ice Hockey is the only Division 1 team at RPI and Union. They actually have to work study for their financial aid and it makes it much more difficult for the ECAC (Combined with the IVY’s as the most prestigious academic schools in the nation) to get top recruits because they can’t recruit. All those mid-west teams are overrated.

  • Dutchmen1

    Sorry I mean can’t get scholarships. Of course they can recruit, but it makes it more difficult.

  • Dutchmen1

    No excuses from Guest, just the fact.

  • Anonymous

    As a BC fan, I won’t forget how Yale was the toughest team we played in the NCAAs last year. No team has scored more against the Eagles since.

  • GOGOFS

    Hey Guest, a friend of mine has a son who played at HAAAvard. He clearly received additional financial aid (not loans, grants) because he was a hockey player. He was an average student, but oddly enough got academic money that other more gifted students had no access to. They don’t have athletic scholorships but they have financial aid that is directed to student athletes- it’s the same thing. get over the no athletic scholarship arguement.

    Now if you want to say they have a much more challenging work load, ok I’ll buy that, especially over the fighting flickertails.

    • FactsPlease

      Your story would carry more weight if you mentioned how much money your friend’s son rceeived and how much tuition, room and board, were that year.

    • DU

      Ivy schools absolutely hand out “academic” scholarships to athletes who may or may not be as deserving as other students – DIII has to do the same thing. Although you cant blame them they have to in order to stay competitive. Really buggs me when people say that they are not given scholarships for being athletes, theres plenty of ways they beat around the bush.

      • OldBulldog

        I played hockey at Yale and I can assure you that not one of our players has been given a single dollar for being an athlete. Yale (and most other Ivy League schools) work on a blind admission policy. This means that a student is admitted or rejected based on their admissions folder alone and THEN if they are admitted, they can apply for financial aid. This aid is awarded in a blend of gifts and federally backed loans. The gift portion is awarded based on need. Most students who qualify for need-based aid (after their parents have proven this need with financial records, tax-returns, etc) will also have to take a portion of the aid in loans that they will pay back to Yale after graduation. This usually amounts to tens of thousands of dollars of debt. No such thing as an athletic scholarship. Period.

        • B.D.

          So you owe or owed $120K for your education after your fourth year?
          Or did you have rich parents?

        • Jrobishaw

          a freind of mine was accepted to Dartmouth to play football but the aid package was not enough so he had to go to Northeastern where he got a full ride.Ivy;s dont give scolarships to atheletes

          • B.D.

            Or you could look at it as the costs are excessive….

  • Where Eagles Dare

    who knows what will happen in the one and out format in the NCAA’s this year, but, how can any person with half a brain not think that BC will make it to yet another Frozen Four, where they have made believers even out of the biggest naysayers, including Godlike Barry Melrose…do we need to get out the tapes from Detroit to remind you of what happens in April when you play BC?

  • HockeyFan18

    How is Union ranked ahead of Western Michigan in any poll? They have comparable records and Western Michigan beat Union both times they played this year.

    • happywhentheseasonisover

      It could be because Union is 7-1 in their last 8 games. Polls are about right now. Not what happened two months ago. Not who is going to win in April. Not who has seven NCAA titles but none since 2000.

      • HockeyFan18

        Western has the nations longest un-beaten streak. I believe it is at 11 games now.

        • happywhentheseasonisover

          I have no idea how the voters really think once they get past their top five. Union is probably overrated but I’d be more annoyed the polls have you behind Maine. They are 18 in KRACH. Western is 14. Union is 10.

        • Css228

          Probably cause Union just beat Yale

  • ScThom

    Since 1985 (when Hockey East became a conference), Titles are as follows:

    ECAC = 2
    Hockey East = 7
    CCHA= 8
    WCHA= 9

    Runners Up:

    ECAC= 3
    Hockey East=13
    CCHA= 4
    WCHA= 6

    Looks pretty even on titles (ex- ECAC), but HE has sent someone to the finals in 20/26 years (13 out of the last 14) vs. the WCHA with 15/26 years. Considering the Finals are a 1 game event where anything can happen, this impartial fan thinks the HE seems to be producing contenders most often with BC clearly the top program of the last 10-15 years or so as they have been in an amazing 7 of the last 13 championship games (3W vs. 4 L).

    • Anonymous

      Minor quibble, but the X in Y years math isn’t right because HE and WCHA have each had both finalist teams once or twice over that timeframe.

  • HailUND

    Okay I think we’re all in agreement (fans of BC, Yale, Wisconsin, Denver, etc.) that the most classless fans are from North Dakota. They also seem the ones who don’t understand the fact that in the past several years, Hockey East in general, has done well, and BC and BU have done better than UND. North Dakota has lots of titles, blah, blah, blah. So do the Maple Leafs and Bruins. Can’t wait for North Dakota to lose again this year and watch Hakstol get fired

  • EagleFaninBoston

    Hey Fighting Soo-eeee. Nice name. Not too racist. here’s the bottom line for you hayseeds vs. BC
    Goalie: advantage BC (Muse)
    D: your best defenseman is a midget who keeps getting hurt
    Forwards: our forwards have shown a knack of scoring in the NCAAs. ND forwards have proven themselves in the regular season.

    But the real issue is pressure. Being in the middle of corn fields, there is zero pressure on kids. Try playing in Boston where every hockey east game is against someone within a 50 mile radius

    • LincolnJim

      I’d say UND fans know all about corn

      • UNDalumCHITOWN

        Nebraska is the cornhusker state. Done and done.

      • B.D.

        No, no corn around there…
        But they will likely know about Aerospace Sciences.

    • B.D.

      Your comment belies and ignorance of geography.
      The area immediately surrounding Grand Forks where UND is located has virtually NO corn fields but is replete in some of the best chernozim soil in the world allowing for potato, durum wheat, and sugarbeet growing areas not seen anywhere else outside of a small patch of the Ukraine.

      I recommend a trip to Grand Forks to investigate. Particularly in February when you can measure your toughness against an Alberta Clipper.

    • FightingSioux4ever

      Wow. Check your stats. Dell’s numbers are all better than Muse, including twice as many shutouts, UND has this guy named Frattin who has 21 goals, Genoway missed a season because of a dirty hit, and the team numbers are within half a goal. Did I mention that the WCHA has more depth than any other league, or the fact that the Sioux have the toughest schedule in hockey? I guess I just did.

      And if you’re looking for corn, check Nebraska.

      • John

        Who cares about stats. Muse is 8-0 in the NCAA tournament.

      • John

        Hockey East= best conference

        • Css228

          I seem to remember HE being 500 against ECAC and worse against the WCHA than the ECAC this year. Face it, WCHA is the best conference top to bottom and this year, ECAC is better than HE

          • John

            just wait till the HE makes it four national championships in a row

      • Southie

        so here’s the deal FightingSioux, Dell zero NCAA tourney wins, Muse . . . . . . . No way Genoway could handle playing for any of the Hockey East women’s teams. He’d keep getting injured. Also, seems to me that you’ve got this lunatic Frattin who keeps getting into trouble on the ice for delivering cheap shots and from what I’m reading, the guy is a criminal off ice

      • eagles30

        except Muse 2 -0 on Rings!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • HiFriend

    New Hampshire is ranked sixth but, is first in Hockey East and has beaten BC. BC is ranked first nationally. Seems a bit confusing?

    • Mike

      no because UNH gets killed in out of conference games

  • Kristo-pher

    so anyone actually believe that Kristo didn’t get frostbite while drunk on the UND campus?

  • je

    again… i never said they aren’t strong. of course they’re strong. i think the WCHA and HE are clearly the 2 strongest leagues.

    but even if you simply start when HE came into existence, the CCHA and WCHA still have more titles.

    or if you just look at the last decade CCHA 1, HE 4, WCHA 5.

    at this point, year in and year out, the WCHA and HE are neck and neck. and clearly, the last few years, HE has been dominant. but when you step back, and honestly look at the wins and numbers, no matter how you slice them, they show that the WCHA has been the strongest league – whether you look at it in terms decades, since the HE started, or just over the last decade. the only time HE looks stronger is over the past few years. but that may be changing. they’ve certainly been THE league lately. but it’ll take some time and hindsight for that to play out, if it does.

  • LincolnJim

    North Dakota wins in one category — criminal behavior. They are the University of Miami (Florida) of hockey. No one should be proud of that program. Kristo goes out and gets frostbite while boozing it up mid season after another bad weekend. NICE! Then let’s look at the Murderer’s Row of so called student athletes: Radja, Oshie, Frattin, Finley, Greene and, oh yeah, another Kristo. The University turns a blind eye to the criminal behavior and Hakstol encourages it. They may have a history of hockey success, but the team is all low lives. Just watch a game and watch how many cheap shots they deliver.

    • B.D.

      Compared to the other universities who have been suspending players at a fairly furious rate for offenses to include assualt, North Dakota does not come close.
      Please review the criminal history’s of the other programs for the past year. You will be able to find the data in the USCHO archives.

      • Jr0bishaw

        BU bounces the Sappanari brothers last year and cleaned the Glass last week.they dont put up with bad behavior

        • B.D.

          I dimly recall a pair of rapist Hockey players from somewhere back east somewhere this fall.

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