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It’s unanimous: Men’s poll has Boston College No. 1

USCHO Staff Report • Feb. 14, 2011

Boston College received all 50 first-place votes in this week’s USCHO.com Division I Men’s Poll and sit atop the rankings for the third week in a row.

That said, change is the theme throughout the rest of the poll, starting at No. 2 where North Dakota rises three spots.

Former top team Yale is now at No. 3, Denver is still No. 4 and Minnesota-Duluth, down from No. 3, rounds out the nation’s top five.

Merrimack jumps five to No. 6, Union is up two to No. 7, New Hampshire falls two to No. 8, Notre Dame jumps one spot to No. 9 and Miami tumbles two places to No. 10.

Michigan is up a pair to No. 11, Wisconsin falls five spots to No. 12, Nebraska-Omaha is up three to No. 13, Rensselaer drops six to No. 14 and Boston University is down one to No. 15.

At No. 16, Dartmouth is up one, Western Michigan falls two to No. 17, Colorado College (No. 18) and Maine (No. 19) trade places this week and Ferris State jumps into the rankings this week at No. 20.

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Wrchward
How can UND have 956 pts? 50 x 19 = 950.
- Hooha
  UND alum did the calculations. those guys are huge on stats ya know
- Hooha
  UND alum did the calculations. those guys are huge on stats ya know
- Gatling
  Because they’re not first-place votes, numbnuts.
miEngle
How is Wisconsin still ahead of Nebraska-Omaha. Didn’t they just get swept by them?
miEngle
How is Wisconsin still ahead of Nebraska-Omaha. Didn’t they just get swept by them?
- Charlie Sheens coke
  Eastern bias?
  - B.D.
    More likely a historical bias. It might statitically be assumed a well established program is easier to come to mind than a new program. Not saying it is either fair or unfair, just that it happens.
    - nyqi
      Totally agree with your comment BD. If a voter has a close call to make while voting for the poll they are just going to give the nod to a team that they have more history with. Besides as stated time and again in earlier postings, none of this matters right now. There’s a chance that UNO will get a shot at wisconsin in the playoffs and then we know for sure who the better team is.
      - Anonymous
        Exactly..look at Merrimack/BC. Both have identical records. Play in the same conference. Merrimack has beaten BC 2 times out 3. But oh..BC is ranked 1 and Merrimack is ranked 6th. Wonder why that is.
http://twitter.com/alexparker AlexParker
I’m pretty sure Miami jumped up two spots, since they were #12 last week. Maybe “tumbles” isn’t the best word.
http://twitter.com/alexparker AlexParker
I’m pretty sure Miami jumped up two spots, since they were #12 last week. Maybe “tumbles” isn’t the best word.
TruthHurts
History lesson before we hear 7 titles
In the last 20 years, UND has won two national titles. So has Lake Superior State.
If you are a freshman on UND now, the last winner was when you were in third grade
BC has won three titles since you won your last one
Since Dean Blais left as coach, Jack Parker has been in the finals five times. Hakstol once — lost
come on, let’s hear it. . . . .
- UNDalumCHITOWN
  Come on guy.
- Anonymous
  Jack Parker has been to one frozen four since 2004, Hakstol has been to four frozen four’s from 2005 to 2008.
  - Debonvine
    And lost at least 3 to BC if I remember it correctly
    - Anonymous
      I only saw the 2008 game so I wouldn’t know about the other 2, and UND got out played in 2008.
      - Jim_87
        Yeah, so we are a small school and everyone is scared of UND…
        Remember, no. 1′s don’t win the Title if you look back…
- EagleSoaring
  dude, Jerry York. Otherwise, you’re right on target!
- SiouxAlumDenver
  You are a moron. You must be one of those people that actually cares about where your team is ranked. Pretty sure no one has argued about BC’s validity this season, or UND’s, or Denver’s…Until the postseason starts, no one has won anything. Keep hanging on to last year pal.
- nyqi
  I’m a UND fan but I’m not even sure what your point is? You’re right we have won 7 titles and we have only won 2 in the last 20 years and BC has won 3 since our last. Is your point that BC is the better team right now? I don’t think you will get much of an argument from the UND fan base about that as I don’t even think we are probably the 2nd best team in the nation right now as we need to get healthy very quickly to be an elite team.
  Why all the anger towards UND? Is it because we are (as is BC) a strong team almost each and every year? I hope we get another shot at BC if we get Chay back in the lineup. I would like our chances with both team at or very near 100%.
  - Hilarious
    Why all the anger towards UND? Is it because we are (as is BC) a strong team almost each and every year?
    Ha ha. No, it’s that you and a few other UND fans have been complete pricks over the last two months with regards to certain teams you don’t feel worthy of their rankings. When you couldn’t talk about the actual hockey being played on the ice you kept falling back on the “seven titles”. The rest of us were saying they were irrelevant to this year so it’s hilarious that you finally agree. So the anger is not directed at UND. It’s at certain trolling fans.
    - nyqi
      Really, we’ve been “pricks” in what way? The facts are simple in mind no team from a conference as weak as the ECAC can be the top team in the nation. Not sure who it was a few weeks ago but he had it right in that if UND were in the ECAC and played that level of competition each week there is no way that I would agree that they can claim to be the #1 team in the country. You like to throw around a lot of nasty words, not sure if that is because your vocabulary won’t allow for anything more or if you are just angry all the time. I have time and again said nothing more than a team like Yale that hasn’t played anyone that is a national title contender shouldn’t be considered the top team in the nation. I guess if that makes me a “prick” than so be it.
      I have seen Yale play this year, have you seen all of the teams in the nation? I haven’t so I can’t say for sure that BC is or isn’t the best team just haven’t had a chance to watch them yet. If you want to talk about the hockey we can do that. UND plays in what most people consider the toughest league in the country. I understand if you don’t agree with that as you can make the claim for some others but from what I have seen and read and the fact that 3 of the top 5 ranked teams are from the WCHA and our goalie is ranked 6th in the nation and our offense 5th and defense 13th and again, I would say that is playing against top flight teams very often as our strength of schedules indicates we are #1.
      So does that make us the best team in the nation, probably not. Again I will say that the team that I have seen play that I feel is the best team is UMD, when that top line is clicking like they are capable of, they are virtually unstoppable. Do I think that UND is a good team, yes I do. But they need to get healthy as a lot of teams do right now but with all teams missing some players I will take the UND bench over just about all others.
      Is that specific enough about hockey for you or do you want more.
    - collegehockeyfan
      I’m a UND fan and I dislike a majority of the UND fans on this site just because they do bring up past ’7 Titles’. I think that has a lot to do with the tradition of the program, but that has no indication on this season. Honestly, I think this season we are a streaky team. We have had trouble sweeping people at home and when we get behind, we have had troubles climbing back in it.
      I WILL be the first person to admit that BC has a very good team this year like past years, as do we(if we can avoid any more injuries). So I apologize on behalf of the Sioux fans that do respect other college hockey teams. Not only are most Sioux fans die hard Sioux fans, they are die hard college hockey fans as well. I’m just sick of the pissing contest that goes on through this site. fact is, BC deserves to be #1 right now.
      - nyqi
        Totally agree with you. Never said that BC didn’t deserve the #1 spot. I too am a college hockey fan and go to a number of games each year that aren’t Sioux games just because I don’t live in the North Dakota area any longer. College hockey is a far better game than the NHL in my opinion and much more fun to watch. I just hope that UND gets a shot at BC this year as I think we finally have a team that can break the streak.
      - Hilarious
        re: collegehockeyfan and nyqi
        That’s all fine and well but you should know I wasn’t talking about BC. . .
      - nyqi
        Okay, who were you talking about? Yale? I still think that they were not deserving of the #1 spot but that is just my opinion based on having seen them play and not really being a dominant team against weaker competition. But again all of this is just opinion, it counts in a few weeks when the conference tournaments and then the NCAA starts.
      - Anonymous
        Merrimack has beaten BC twice…they don’t seem that tough.
      - nyqi
        Like I said in an earlier posting, I haven’t seen BC play this year so I am not sure if they deserve the #1 spot or not, so I won’t comment on that.
  - Badgers
    Chay Genoway? He is arguably the most over-rated college hockey captain in the NCAAs. He is a stat accumulator, but he’s never been able to lead the team. He is always injured and at best he can project out to be 30% of what Brian Rafalski is.
    - nyqi
      Okay. Not sure what your point is? Rafalski is one of the best players in the NHL in my opinion and Chay probably will never be a great NHL player but I don’t agree that he hasn’t “been able to lead the team” because the players on that team would do anything for him so I think that is part of what being a leader is (having the loyalty of the team). But whatever. A stat accumulator, isn’t that what you want from a hockey player? Scoring goals, getting assists. Seems like a stat accumulator would be a good thing.
    - B.D.
      You have a false notion of the role of a captain on a team. It is NOT to be the stats leader as you seem to assume, but rather perform a leadership role. In that role Chenoway has performed admirably.
      For much of last year he captained that team from the bench and performed the leadership role quite well. Question: Can a team be captained from the bench? Answer: Yes, if the leader in question is up to the task.
- FightingSioux4ever
  And we’ve still managed to get back to #2. Last year, the last five years, the last ten years have no effect on right now. So what’s your point???
- Arcticrep1
  And BC had 50+ years between championships…..glass houses…..johnie come lately(s)…..
LincolnJim
Tell ya what, UNO doesn’t fear going on the road to Grand Forks! Coach Blais vs. Coach Hack. I know who my money is on
- nyqi
  Too bad the coaches don’t play the games or that might actually matter.
- FightinSioux4ever
  What is that in reference to? They might meet up in the Final Five in St Paul. UNO has to win first.
- Anonymous
  I’d worry about playing UAA and not UND.
Wrchward
More math. If there are 50 voters and first place = 20 pts, 2nd = 19, etc. and BC got ALL 1st place votes (50 x 20) =1000, then the best UND could do is all 2nd place votes for 50 x 19 =950 pts. The only way they could get more than 950 is if they got some 1st place votes (6 1sts, 44 2nds for example). So, either BC is not a unanimous #1, or UND got 950 or fewer pts. Or, I could have the point system all wrong (but BC pts fit if they are unanimous). We’ll see if USCHO fix their poll.
- Math
  I think they made a mistake somewhere. If first place is worth 20 points and each subsequent place is worth one fewer point all the way down to 1 point for 20th place then there would be a total of 10,500 points with 50 voters. And that’s exactly what the points add up to when you count the top 20 in the poll along with the “others receiving votes”.
Anonymous
As a UND fan I don’t think UND should be ranked #2 in the nation
- UNDalumCHITOWN
  I agree. Polls are polls
Heguy
Eastern bias? merrimack would smoke Denver
Anonymous
And UNO is ranked BEHIND Wisconsin, still!!!
Despite the fact the UNO swept Wisconsin and that Wisconsin has exactly one win against a team with a winning record this entire season.
Meanwhile, UNO has swept Minnesota on the road, split both a home AND an away series with North Dakota (while administering their worst beating, EVER, at the Ralph), split with Michigan at Michigan, defeated almost-in-the-poll RIT, split with Colorado College at Colorado College, and swept aforementioned Wisconsin.
If somebody can tell me why they are ranked ahead of UNO, inquiring minds would like to know.
Sheesh.
- Anonymous
  UNO is ahead of Wisconsin in the PWR (the poll that really matters). I’m guessing Wisconsin is ranked ahead of UNO in the USCHO poll is because Wisconsin swept the worst team in the nation UAH and UNO lost a game to UAH. Beating the team’s above .500 is good but UNO needs to beat the team’s below .500 too.
- UNDalumCHITOWN
  Lots of splits there.
- nyqi
  Just clearing something up. I don’t think the win in Grand Forks was the “worst beating ever”, it was the most goals they have ever given up at the new Ralph but I think that UND has actually lost a game or two by more than 4 goals at the Ralph. I could be wrong about that but it was the most goals given up at the new building. And UND won the next night right?
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Eagle5
If the tourney was now, BC would beat every WCHA team. BC 5 UND 1, BC 3 UNO 2, BC 6 Denver 3. Merrimack would probably beat every WCHA team. They’ll probably go out west but they’ll win on the road.
- SiouxFanatic
  Keep hitting that bong, Eagle5. No question that BC is a good team. They are beatable though.
- Tkkessler
  If BC would play in the WCHA, Michigan Tech might end their losing streak
- Anonymous
  Funny how UND is ahead of BC in PWR, RPI, and KRACH rankings….
- collegehockeyfan
  better take care of Northeastern before you mention teams from other conferences buddy.
CuriousDad
Looking to figure out if my son should go to UND. Big strong defenseman who wants to focus on hockey. He’s street smart, but grades can’t get him into CCHA. Doesn’t want to take SAT. Looking for easy major where other kids can do homework for him. We don’t want some liberal adminstrator getting in the way of him having a cold one and boys being boys. HGH use okay, but not steroids. He just wants to be able to practice and play without people looking over his shoulder. And I’ve heard that if I steer him there, I can get a Ford 150. Any advice?
- UNDalumCHITOWN
  Haha you tools are on fire this week!
- FightinSiox4ever
  Try Alabama-Huntsville. They’re trying to field a real program. Sounds like your kind of people, moron.
- Professor
  My advice, get a time machine, go back about 15 years and enroll him at MN, woog will do everything you are looking for. And CCHA academic standards? Hahahahaha, you are funnier than you think.
- Arcticrep1
  No no please, keep him warm and cozy at home with you so you can instruct him in the proper methods of “family love” the way I’m sure your Dad instructed you and your family in.
- B.D.
  Why do you assume the academics at UND are any less stringent than the CCHA?
  How do you assume the drug and ability to get rewarded for sending him to UND?
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RalphEngelstadisaNazi
For those who are unaware of the legacy of the Fighting Sues, this is a note on the background of Ralph Engelstad for whom their home pig stye is named. Is there no shame? Always suspected several of the fans were of this ilk
Nazi ControversyEngelstad was a controversial figure. He raised accusations of being sympathetic to Nazism owing to his collection of Nazi memorabilia stored in a private room within the casino-hotel, including a painting of himself dressed in a Nazi uniform (captioned “To Adolf from Ralphie”), a painting of Hitler with the reverse caption, and a collection of antique cars alleged to have once belonged to German Nazi leaders.
[edit] Hitler Birthday PartyOn April 20 in 1986 and 1988, he hosted parties to celebrate Adolf Hitler’s birthday[1] at his casino in Las Vegas which featured bartenders in T-shirts reading “Adolf Hitler — European tour 1939-45″. Because of this, in 1989, the Nevada Gaming Commission fined Engelstad $1.5 million “for actions that damaged the reputation and image of Nevada’s gaming industry.” Engelstad apologized publicly for the parties, but the row was not to be his last controversial move.[2]
- LincolnJim
  would love to see if a single UND fan touches this.
  - B.D.
    See above.
- Anonymous
  What does this have to do with hockey? Oh wait nothing. Are you jealous that he donated $100 million to UND to build a arena, and donated $13,500,000 Theif River Falls for their hockey arena for the high school team. Do I care that he had Nazi memorabilia? No I don’t.
  I wonder how USCHO let’s things like this get posted on here, when they have nothing to do with hockey and is an attack on a man that isn’t alive. I’m starting to think that USCHO should start moderating the comments section. It’s getting ridiculous when every week someone post something about a school academic standards, or if a school has scholarships.
  - UNDalumCHITOWN
    Agreed. This post is completely outrageous and uncalled for.
    - ECACMD
      Amazing how quickly you forget you and your UND goons started this whole lack of decorum by spending weeks bullying the board with your constant attacks on Yale. That included attacks on the coach, players and sources of funding. By far the most mean-spirited and belittling posts on USCHO to date. That was rapidly followed up by attacking the ECAC and doing it in a way that was not just overkill but pathological. Any fan of any team within your conference was shredded for expressing enthusiasm about wins against UND. Then you engaged in a litany about your 7 titles and your program history. What you’ve learned is that the rest of the hockey world is sick of it and is calling you out. If you’re going to be mean, denigrating sadists then you’ll have to deal with the rest of the hockey-loving community calling out your program. All of the things about Engelstad are true, by the way, after doing research. Many of the other statements made were probably done in poor taste but were based in fact. How about you personally not spending time bashing Yale, Union, RPI or Merrimack?
      - B.D.
        Stating our opinion that Yale was not as deserving as UND is a lack of decorum? It is means spiritted?
        I think you will find that most of the lack of decorum came from the other side who took issue with everything from our geographic location, demographics, source of recruited players, and academic credentials.
      - EliBlue
        BD, most fans feel their team deserves to be ranked higher, etc. North Dakota fans singled out Yale and made multiple, protracted diatribes about the poll results. Rather than just let bygones be bygones and see what happens in the NCAA tournament in the spring, it became the right of Sioux fans every week to do more than disagree with the ranking. The level of attack on the poll results was excessive, the paragraphs-long regurgitation of statistics was excessive and it seemed that the main driver was anger over the result last spring. Rather than let Yale fans enjoy their once in a lifetime position, the UND fans seemed obssessed with trashing the poll ranking and then invalidating any aspect of their success to date. There is something wrong with several of the posters. Now there is a feeling of being victimized? Go back and read what the UND fans said about Yale as the team ascended in the rankings. By the way, it’s no fault of Yale they are in the ECAC or Ivy League and have limitations on number of games they can play, and Yale can’t control who is in their conference. By the way, RPI and Union are excellent this year. Brown has several notable wins/ties. The UND fans did not allow any of that. It was just a litany of rants against Yale and the ECAC. By the way, no Yale fan ever posted on the poll articles prior to the attacks by UND, largely because they enjoy the team and treated the high ranking as a novelty, not a birthright.
      - nyqi
        Sorry I disagree. Most of the UND posts that I have seen (and I am sure that I haven’t seem them al, maybe not even a fraction of them) haven’t been about UND being ranked higher. The vast majority have been about the fact that because of some of the limitations in their schedule and the fact they play in the ECAC they just simply shouldn’t be considered the top team in the country and the last few weeks have shown that the UND fans were right. And please stop with this garbage about last year. Not one single UND fan cares that Yale beat us last year. It just simply doesn’t matter to what is happening this year. RPI and Union seem to have good teams but with them playing in a conference like the ECAC I am just not sure and to be honest I have not seen either of them play so I will not talk about their teams as if I know much of anything about them. I think that overall the feeling that I have gotten from the postings and my own personal opinion is that a team that plays a limited schedule has a SOS of roughly 30 just can’t be considered the top team. My gripe hasn’t been with Yale or it’s fans but those voters that made it happen and the fact that there are people that are trying to justify it when clearly after losing some of the games they have has proven without a doubt that they weren’t the top team in the country they had the best schedule in the country.
      - B.D.
        Concur.
      - B.D.
        1.) North Dakota fans singled out Yale for challenge because Yale was rate #1 for what most UND fans considered dubious reasoning. I am certain if Michigan Tech had been rated #1 it also likewise would have been challenged and a rationale would have been provided.
        2.) Paragraph long recitations of statistics was excessive? In what world is someone approaching a discussion with data considered abusive?
        3.) Most attacks I witnessed were from Ivy types who sought to belittle the UND players for reasons other than their play on ice. Many stated that UND players were professional (in what world is that bad?) were not as intelligent as Ivy types, were from foreign lands, or lived a hick existance in fly over land. They even sought to belittle the fact that UND players were on scholarship while attempting to claim Ivy types sought a higher moral authority due to supposedly NOT accepting aid.
        4.) It is not Yales fault they are in the ECAC? Then who forcibly put the school in that conference? And why does that conference not encourage more travel to further locations with more games? They would doubtless find it broadening to spend a weekend in Anchorage, Grand Forks, Bemidji, or Mankato rather than an endless cycle of games within 200NM of their campus.
        5.) Regarding the statement that RPI, Union, and Brown have performed well, I agree, mostly within their own limited competition.
        6.) Regarding your statement that no Yale fan posted prior to comment by UND your position is illogical? Being ranked in the #1 position I doubt they would as they doubtless had no complaint. I also do not complain when I receive a card saying I am “#1 Dad”by my young daughter for fathers day. But if my wife were to receive that card I have comment to make.
        I guarantee you that if Yale fans had watched Mankato State elevated over them there would be comment to be made even in the most haughty of environs.
      - nyqi
        So already in your first statement you pull out the word “goons” to talk about UND fans and we are the ones taking shots? I haven’t seen all of the posts on the site so I can’t say what everyone else said or didn’t but all I ever stated was that Yale was not deserving of the top spot because they play in a conference that is just not as strong top to bottom as a number of others in the country.
        I met Englestad back in my days on campus and he wasn’t a very nice man to be honest and what was stated above is true. The only other thing that I will say and you should research this as well is that he, his family and his trust has helped THOUSANDS of kids not only at UND but also at UNLV to attend school and get college degrees. So he may not have been a saint by any means but he has done some good as well.
  - B.D.
    Concur, I watched the World Juniors at TRF arena several years ago while home on leave and it was a higher quality facility than most college hockey teams have access to.
- Studio
  no wonder Carl Gehring played there. They probably thought he was the grandson of Air Marshall Herman!
  - Shrink
    the bullies of UND have been punched in the nose and are trying to claim victim and deflect facts. Classic psychology in play. The paranoia and attacks are also classic
    - B.D.
      Specifically WHO at UND is a bully, and how do you logically assert such?
- collegehockeyfan
  well Bill Clinton went to Yale, nobody dwells on that, irrelevant topic.
  - collegehockeyfan
    what i was trying to say is nobody cares, nobody will relate Bill Clinton’s horrible run in office to the Yale men’s hockey team, please don’t ever post here again.
    - Anonymous
      Bill Clinton is the man.
the WCHA grind
Whats with all the “shots” at UND? I know there has been some bickering between fans of all the highly ranked teams in the nation lately, but I didn’t see anything that warrented attacks on the North Dakota program? Chill out and have some class. Stating a well documented tie to Nazism, giving “mock” history lessons, and saying Merrimack could beat all the WCHA teams? Please, grow up.
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EaglesSoar
BC 5, UND 0. No current UND players in NHL in 3 years, Kreider, and at least three others playing NHL games
- Anonymous
  So your saying that there is no UND players in the NHL?
  - B.D.
    I was curious about that as well, after all virtually everyone knows Toews is reprising his role as team captain for the Stanley Cup victors yet agains this year.
    - collegehockeyfan
      Toews? Parise? Oshie? Commodore? Zajac? Stafford? that’s just a few. For someone to say that no NHL players from UND is just dumb. Yeah BC has a few as well, but they are not extreme superstars like EaglesSoar says they are, yeah Gionta, Eaves, Boyle are a few good position players, but not elite.
      Yes BC has definitely had the upper hand at the collegiate level over UND, which is what this forum is about, but you can’t argue with a few Olympic medals and Stanley Cup champions and MVP of the playoffs, so I don’t understand why this got brought up in the first place.
      - B.D.
        Agreed. I was a bit surprised by this post by Eagles Soar because it usually goes against the type I expect from an ECAC fan. Usually we are simply considered by ECAC types as some form of Holding Cell for future NHL players rather than an actual university.
        So when Eagles Soar said we had not produced NHL talent I was incredulous.
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