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North Dakota plans to retire Sioux nickname, logo

A report on NCAA.org says North Dakota Governor Jack Dalrymple will push to resume the process of retiring the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo from the University of North Dakota after the NCAA reiterated its policy on Native American mascots, nicknames and imagery during a meeting Friday in Indianapolis.

Dalrymple and a group of state representatives had hoped to convince the NCAA to grant the school a waiver of the policy, which prohibits nicknames and imagery that are deemed hostile or abusive toward Native Americans, before facing sanctions on Aug. 15. Those sanctions would prohibit UND from hosting postseason tournaments or using its Fighting Sioux nickname and logo in any NCAA postseason events.

“It’s our understanding coming out of this meeting that the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo will be dropped,” said NCAA VP for communications Bob Williams in the article. “The contingent from North Dakota made it clear that they were committed to changing the legislative action that would require retention of the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo. However, our settlement agreement remains in effect and as a result, the University of North Dakota will be subject to the policy effective Aug. 15.”

The North Dakota board of education was in the process of retiring the nickname over the last two years, but it was stalled by a legislative bill passed in April. The new law, which took affect Aug. 1, mandated the continued use of the Fighting Sioux nickname and placed the authority for a name change in the legislature’s hands.

Dalrymple said he will ask the North Dakota legislative leadership to allow legislation to be introduced during a special session on Nov. 7 that will transfer the responsibility for the logo and nickname from the legislature back to the board of higher education, which could then retire it. Dalrymple said a nickname change would also require the approval of the UND alumni association’s board of directors.


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  • FalconFrenzy

    What a joke!  I’m sure the student body are psyched to root for the ND Prairie Dogs next season.  NCAA out of collegiate sports!!!

  • FalconFrenzy

    What a joke!  I’m sure the student body are psyched to root for the ND Prairie Dogs next season.  NCAA out of collegiate sports!!!

    • CollegeHockey

      Did you just say the National Collegiate Athletic Association should stay out of college sports?

    • Rambo Wildcat

      How about the Fightin’ Prarie Dogs!  

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IBX3ZLT5XKNZDOL2YZHPVX27VI STEVEN P

        I like Whiny White Guys

        • B.D.

          You mean the whiny protestors from Merrifield Hall who are actually pushing the anti-Sioux cause?

  • Sueh8ter

    GOOD!!!!!!  could not have happened to bigger bunch of TOOLS!!!!!

    • Astrocyte

      Great post. Kettle calling the pot black.
      I couldn’t be more proud to have graduated as a Fighting Sioux. You do realize we love to be hated. I’m sure that much is clear by now.

      • B.D.

        Sueh8ter is a homeboy who hates everything successful about the UND program.  Don’t worry, he will NEVER say anything nice about another program.  He just surfaces to vent his spleen on UND hockey and for no other subject.

        I imagine a UND hockey player lured his girlfriend away and he has never gotten over it.

      • Dan

        So you speak for me now?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RXIYXPN5XUZ2V5UT7CEV2YHZBY A guy named Joe

    Fighting Dakotans, here we come!  Take that, NCAA!

  • Anonymous

    PC is full of it these days…get over it one way or another…I think it is a part of history and should STAY…NC$$ at it’s best….catch the cheaters and the money laundering and then I’ll take notice of your intentions…but it’s the $$$$NCAA$$$$ and look the other way.

  • collegehockeyfan

    Typical double standard by NCAA: “Fighting Sioux” is offensive, but “Fighting Irish” isn’t?  The other UND must change to be compliant too.

    • Ring_of_Fire

      *sigh*

      So few words…so much ignorance…

    • Netillaman

      Psst, Irish aren’t Native Americans.

      • Ferrisfan

        OK, how about Fighting Illini then?

        • jmsptrk

          Does this mean Illinois has to change its name too?

      • Nordic Scotsman

        ah, so Irish isn’t a race because all white folk look the same.  And even though they faced heavy discrimination for immigrating to America in the late 1800′s, that doesn’t count because it means Notre Dame might be politically incorrect as well.

    • yooper

      You’re absolutely right about the double standard and the only reason no one attacks the “Fighting Irish” reference is because the Irish don’t complain. Over-sensitivity is now a way of life in this country, and since that’s a fact we are not likely to change any time soon, how about the name “North Dakota Warriors”;
      with no other imagery on the jersey.

      • B.D.

        In America today we have instituted a culture of Political Correctness that allows some groups to find value in supposed victimhood.  And be assured, in America today value in the left is all about being a member of an approved group of victims.

        Supposedly the Native American tribes of the upper Dakota’s are somehow victimized by being associated with UND.  THey say that somehow this association degrades them as a group because it does not honor their tribes.  Of course they do not see the assocations of the special programs designed to assist the Native Americans on Campus as racist nor dishonorable.

        So I propose a change:
        We should honor those other fierce warriors of the north – The Seventh Cavalry.  No significant changes are needed other than changing the hair color of the logo to blonde to honor G Custer.

        I would be willing to wager that within six months those who currently say that UND has degraded the indian tribes of North Dakota will be totaly frustrated in their victimhood and claim that UND would then be HONORING the 7th Cavalry which they cannot allow.  Dark Haried logo = degrading to native Americans.  Blonde Haried Logo = Honoring a military force …….Hmmmmm……

        Don’t like the Cav?  Okay, then keep the logo and change the hair color, change the name to the Fighting Norsemen to honor all the Norwegians who settled the upper Red RIver Valley.

        Of course we will have to remove the statue of Red Cloud from the REA because we cannot have them associated, right?  And no special programs for Native American Students like INMED, INJOURN, etc.  That would be very racist to have special programs for just one racial group at the expense of all others.

        Boy, I can hear the screams and gnashing of teeth of the leftists in Merrifield Hall already.

        Within three years those who are protesting and calling for a change will be once again marching – but in reverse.

        • Yooper

          Hmmmm, some good ideas.   I know one thing for sure.  If we changed the team name to “The Fighting Redman” and put that name over the image of the viking Eric the Red and the North Dakota team went on their usual winning war path, you will never hear any compaints from Ivan, Olaf, Heidi, or Heather. 

          • B.D.

            Actually, I bet the monarchy of Norway would make special trips to attend a game each year….  They already come to the Hostfest in Minot, why not schedule a game in as well?

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AWUWXDKNATZUSY7MZ3ZCBASABM David

          This isn’t really a “political correctness” thing anymore.  It hasn’t been so for years.

          The name “Sioux” belongs to the tribes.  If a school can’t get permission of those tribes, they don’t have the right to use the name.

          It’s a simple trademark issue.

          • Astrocyte

            Um, what? 

          • Osorojo

            If it were “purely political correctness” and not profit then UND could keep the nickname and give up the copyright to it. I’ll give LONG odds that will never happen.

          • B.D.

            Do you think the leftists pushing this issue are interested in a piece of the action regarding the nickname?  Naw, I know them.  THey aren’t that smart….

          • Pewanicki

            Actually, I was hoping to sucker in righty/reactionaries, but I’m willing to take anybody’s money on this bet: the copyright/profit is the issue here, not political correctness, freedom of speech, artistic heritage of logo, or butt-ending.

          • B.D.

            No, logically it is not what is at issue.  If it were then the goal would not be the destruction of the logo, but rather the licensing rights.  There has been no evidence that this is the case.

            Nope, this is the latest in PC targeting.  The left needs to feel that they are actively contributing to a change to society.  Eg. The same guys who 25 years ago were communists are now Environmentalists.  If they are defeated like they were with the fall of communism, they simply shift their goals and targets.

            The same guys who are supporting the Anti-Sioux agenda in the faculty are the same guys who were pushing the “Peace Studies” program in the mid 1980′s.  The peace through strength policy of the 1980′s succeeded and rendered them irrelevant and they have simply re-blued themselves….

          • Osorojo

            Oh, my! The red menace lives – in a new form! Has UND offered to cede its profits from the sale of copyrighted merchandise to the rightful owners of the name “Sioux?” Has UND even offered to share the profits arising from their use of the reputation and deeds of the Sioux Nation?
            Where you see leftist, commie, environmental peacenicks I see a deadbeat marketing scam – the kind that gives “capitalism” a bad name.  My offer of a friendly wager stands.

          • B.D.

            Has anyone ASKED for a share of the profits.  Answer – no.
            Where you see naked capitalism (Of which there is no proof)  I have experience with these people that are now the core of the protest movement.

          • B.D.

            Nonsense, at its essence tt is PURELY Political Correctness.

            Logically, the term Sioux cannot belong to the tribe as they (the politically correct protestors) have gone to great pains over the past twenty years to insist that they are by turns, Lakota, Nakota, Dakota, etc.  They have claimed in their PC view their kin are everything BUT Sioux who is the appelation given to them by their foes.  THey claim they are NOT the Sioux.

            Therefore they have no claim to that name.

            Now, most warriors who have joined the military from that tribe look with pride to their roots and they Sioux Warrior status.  But the liberal protestors are simply seeking a cause celebre to give their lives meaning. 
            When this fight is over, they will hardly go home, but will seek out something else to focus their lives about.  They are incapable of a peaceful existance.  THey have been schooled by our PC culture that they must always have something or some grievance to seek victimhood status.

          • Anonymous

            It’s absolutely P.C. issues.  Florida State’s student dressed in war paint throwing a flaming spear isn’t as “offensive” as the Fighting Sioux nickname?  The ONLY reason UND can’t keep Fighting Sioux is that the alumni don’t have as deep pockets as the Seminoles (and the Utes for that matter).  It’s selective enforcement against a college that can’t pay the tribe enough money for the use of their name.  The P.C. in this country is sickening.

          • Abc123

            Bullshit!!!!

          • Abc123

            Bullshit!!!!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IBX3ZLT5XKNZDOL2YZHPVX27VI STEVEN P

        Last time I checked,the Irish didn’t have their land stolen,their women raped,and their population dumped on reservations,but maybe I’m mistaken.

        • Hendgr01

          no, they just had rocks thrown at them, their houses burned down, got beaten, were raped, not allowed to have jobs, shot at, itimidated all because they had the nerve to step off the boat in NY.  No wonder they were ‘fightin’

        • B.D.

          You’ve obviously never been to Southy on a Saturday night….

        • AJ

          The Irish most definitely had their land stolen and their women raped, which is, in large part, why they moved to America. You are correct about the reservations though.

          • B.D.

            Yeah, they were forced to integrate – however painful that was.

        • Dan

          You may want to catch up on Irish history.  Life does exist outside of the US borders.

        • Yooper

          Of course you are right about the disgraceful treatment of American indians. So, now we have a whole government department looking after them (BIA).
           But we have to move on from that.  We are all americans and we all need to pursue our dreams independently.  Special treatment for certain people needs to evaporate and the sooner the better.  I don’t like affirmative action either.
             Before white settlers came to this continent, the Cheyenne fought the Apache, the Pawnee fought the Sioux, Ojibwas fought the Chippewa.  There were constant battles for turf involving many tribes for centuries.  Native Americans were at war all the time.  
             Of all the evil events that were perpetrated by European Americans, there is one redeeming fact for you to ponder.  Native Americans don’t fight with one another anymore.  With one common constitution and set of laws, at least we can be at peace with each other.  Let’s forget the victimhood. 

          • B.D.

            Yes, and do not forget that virtually all the various bands of Dakota at one time or another fought each other as well as the Blackfoot, Crow, Mandan, Assiniboine, Turtle Mountain Sioux, Chippewa, Sac, Fox, Metis, and Cheyenne.

            I have been amused lately to hear it listed as an article of faith amongst the Liberal PC types that prior to the White mans arrival the native American lived in peace and harmony…  THus one of their hatreds of the “Fighting” in “Fighting Sioux.”

        • dan

          you’re right, the irish are the ones that stole the land, raped the women, and forced populations of native americans from there homes

          • B.D.

            Except when it was the Chippewa/Ojibway, Sac, Fox, Cheyenne, Crow, Blackfoot, Flatheads, Mandan, etc who stole the land, raped the women, and forced other populations of native americans from their homes….  Right?

    • Anonymous

      Maybe they can honor the NCAA and become the gut-less
      money-grubbing administrators.

    • Mike

      Sure … as soon as Irish people start complaining.

      • B.D.

        Irish people are not an approved victim class under todays leftist PC culture.

        • Hendgr01

          Which is funny because they have faced a lot of discrimination in the 1800′s

          • B.D.

            I agree.

      • Irish and Native American

        I am both Irish and Native American (not Sioux).  I don’t like the use of either name.

    • jmsptrk

      When you find a leprechaun, let me know. Then, while you explain how his likeness is being exploited by a university in Indiana, I’ll steal his gold.

      • B.D.

        Logic does not flow.  They are not the “Fighting Leprechains.”

  • BadgerHockeyFan

    Because we all know Sioux’s a girl’s name, whatever will we chant when ND comes to town?

    • http://twitter.com/saraj323 Sara Folkestad

      Gee… you might have to actually be original for once in your life!

  • UMD

    What shall they change it to?  The North Dakota Wind?  The North Dakota Tree?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZOUVIQMPRSUFZFNBVTOH7R2CVQ gregg

      I prefer the North Dakota Rough Riders, in honor of Theodore Roosevelt.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZOUVIQMPRSUFZFNBVTOH7R2CVQ gregg

        Team Logo would be a cavalry horse with crossed sabers.

        • B.D.

          As a retired soldier and former veteran of the 1st Cavalry Division I can get behind that.

          We could also have the band dress up in the 1st Volunteer Cavalry Regiment Dress Uniform while marching. 
          Hell, we could have someone actually dress up like our logo for a change….

      • B.D.

        Within five years the tribes would realize they would now be inconsequential and on the road to “Forgotten land” and would be demanding to be renamed and re-logo’d for them.  That is if their pride would allow them to show their faces.

        The short term value of the PC protestors raising hell will be mortgaged for the value of being forgotten.  After all, do you think anyone will care about funding INMED or INJOURN with tax dollers in short supply in five years at a school who takes its mantle from the Rough Riders and Teddy Roosevelt?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZOUVIQMPRSUFZFNBVTOH7R2CVQ gregg

      Yeah, one national hockey title in your school history and the smart butt comments come out. Good luck in the future bulldogs, you’ll need it as overall, we own you!!!!!!!!!

  • Maroon n’ Gold

    North Dakota should go back to their old mascot. The Flickertails which is one mean little ground squirrel HA

    • Astrocyte

      This coming from a Golden Gophers fan.

  • Zamboni

    I like it. The school’s teams will be known as the University of North Dakota Fighting Who. [?]

  • Osorojo

    A pornographic film corporation has a better right to copyright the name “The North Dakota Greasers Crew” than NDU has to copyright the name “The Fighting Sioux. And you can bet NDU won’t keep the F.S. label unless they can copyright it and profit from it.

    • B.D.

      Explain.

  • http://profiles.google.com/ltpowers99 J. Isaac Powers

    The North Dakota Fy Tingsoo.

  • Vizoroo

    I’ll miss the best sweaters in college hockey.

    • Floppyrg

      Does this also mean no one can buy college hockey tickets from a scalper

  • MSUMavs1997

    Your nickname has been usurped!  Way to be progressive change this after umpteen deadlines. Go MSU (who figured out a solution to this in the 1970s) and the other true WCHA teams!

  • bochawa

    North Dakota Fighting Soo – with a locomotive as the new mascot.

  • Guest

    The Nokota horse is the logical new choice, however, since they’ve left the WCHA, I recommend the Turncoats.

    What cracks me up about all this PC rubbish is how Texas Tech has fooled everyone into believing that their Red Raiders name refers to Zoro when in reality they were named after the Apaches.

    • Guest

      Hmmm, the North Dakota Zorros? It has possibilities.

    • B.D.

      So all teams who have changed conferences are traitorous? 
      Boy, that includes half of the teams in Division one.

      • B.D.

        Thus I recommend:

        The Minnesota “Traducers”
        The Wisconsin “Quislings”.
        The Michigan “Turncoats”
        The Ohio  “Judas’s”

        etc, etc, etc….

  • Plop

    North Dakota Traitors has a nice ring to it…

    • B.D.

      To whom have we been traitorous?

  • maineiac

    What a damn shame. The best logo in college hockey by far, with great sweaters. They should now be called the Fighting Sue and the logo could look like the Notre Dame mascot, only a girl in a skirt in a fighting pose!

  • Ryan53d

    i feel the fighting sioux is an honorable name but native americans dont feel that way, meanwhile if your an native american you get massive tax breaks,if the sioux have to change their name then the blk hawks ,redskins should as well.hey if a gopher could talk they would have to drop u of m name too when does it stop???????? never…..

    • Yooper

      You raise an interesting question.  If the name “Fighting Sioux” isn’t liked among the native americans than just how many of them don’t like it.  It’s my guess that its a small vocal minority and not the majority.  It’s also my guess that there are a lot of native americans from North Dakota that like that name, especially the “fighting” part.  They were great warriors and seemingly in there era, before european settlement, they were proud of it.  
        This is just a case of politicians who don’t want to wrankle any voters and who
      have absolutely no courage to stand against PC sensitivities.  
        The reason the Redskins, Braves, Blackhawks, and other so-named teams don’t have to change their names is because they are private organizations who are not kept alive by the government. You see, our colleges are subsidized by state and federal grants and that’s where the politics comes in.

    • SiouxPoo

      It ends when you grow up and realize YOU CAN’T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT.  And comparing UND to organizations like the Black Hawks and Redskins is laughable.  The rest of the world cares very little about North Dakota.  Period.

      • B.D.

        Yet, you have posted on the subject.  Therefore are you not part of the world that supposedly cares so little on this subject?

        • SiouxPoo

          He asked a question, which I attempted to answer.  I think you have trouble communicating.  

          • B.D.

            You said North Dakota matters little in the public discourse.  Yet, you have posted on the subject. Interesting….

    • Osorojo

      Many native Americans live within their own nations. Their nations are recognized by treaties signed by the United States. Why wouldn’t citizens of another nation get tax breaks? I guess if you won’t allow a nation and its people the right to their own name you won’t allow them much of anything, including “tax breaks.”

  • Big Al

    Been a long time since I was hundting in North Dakota, but do you still have a blue heron season?  I can hear the announcer after a turn over, “Blue Heron’s ball!”

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZOUVIQMPRSUFZFNBVTOH7R2CVQ gregg

      Big Al, the truckers Pal.

  • HugeUNDfan

    I like Fighting Dakotans.  Reminds me of Frattin in Lucy’s Tavern.

    How about the North Dakota Freezing Kristos?  With blackened frostbit feet as the logo?

    UND Golden Showers — to honor all the players caught publicly relieving themselves

    UND Hakstols — with a big middle finger as the logo

  • nogofer

    All you haters of us who WILL ALWAYS BE SIOUX can remember this:  Regardless of our name, moniker or logo, we OWN you.  Your envy of our successes just validates our superiority over you.

    • Sueh8ter

      it is tools like you that makes everyone hate UND, and nothing else.  it has nothing to do with your lack of success!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Bigdawg1

        Hardly.
        And what lack of success would that be?

        • jmsptrk

          hakstol’s lack of national hardware?

          • B.D.

            So only the final four trophy counts?

            Boy, I guess 80% of the Division One teams have NEVER been successful by your standard. 

          • jmsptrk

            It’s fine if you’re satisfied without your coach winning a national title. More power to ya. 

          • B.D.

            I see.  So if a coach wins it on his opening season and then goes on to lose every game for the next twenty year – he is successful in your eyes?

            Hmmmmmm……….

          • jmsptrk

            never said that either. that’s your assumption on my behalf. i’m just commenting on hakstol. not some imaginary coach that doesn’t exist. sorry if you feel the need to expand the argument in order to defend a coach with no hardware. cheers! buh-bye.

          • B.D.

            Pathological hatred of Hakstol?
            Interesting.  Did he steal your cookies when you were five?

          • jmsptrk

            haha. nope. just laughing at your hysterical attempts to defend him at all costs. i could care less.

          • B.D.

            Not defending him.  Is he in need of defense?

            Your position seems to be that he is lacking or possibly a failure as a coach due to a singular obstacle – that he has not one a championship trophy.

            I posited that that was illogical due to the dearth of other coaches who have won such trophies and to assert failure to such was likewise illogical when only one trophy is awarded to one of 58 schools/coaches annually.

            Asserting failure to this ensures that 57 coaches/schools are thus considered failures each year.

            Asserting this specific failure to only Hakstol as you seem to is likewise illogical.

          • Laurelmwhite

             ”won” a championship, not “one” one

          • B.D.

            Forgive the grammer.  What do you think of the situation itself?

          • jmsptrk

            oh, and what about a coach who never wins it? 
            such as, who is it again…. it’ll come to me…. oh, that’s right… hakstol!! 

            (i knew i’d remember the guy).

          • B.D.

            Illogical.

          • jmsptrk

            i suggest you look up the word logical.

          • B.D.

            THen please lay out your thesis statement for me regarding Hakstol and the lack of trophy in comparison to his contemporaries.

          • jmsptrk

            btw… it’s called the frozen four.

          • B.D.

            Granted.  But you have not addressed the point that few teams could ever be considered successful by the standard you have set.

          • jmsptrk

            that wasn’t my point. nor do i have to address it. i was addressing hakstol. you’re only expanding the argument in order to defend him. but that’s a much bigger discussion regarding programs. not hakstol. i prefer to let hakstol’s record stand on it’s own. bye bigdawg. enjoy your season.

          • B.D.

            This is totally illogical and seems to be driven by a pathological position - that of a dislike of Hakstol for some reason.

            You are holding one of fifty eight coaches to a higher standard than the others.

            You attempted to defer by bringing up the “Frozen Four vs Final Four” strawman, but that is easily seen for what it is – a smokescreen.

          • jmsptrk

            nope. i think he’s a good coach. he just hasn’t won anything to speak of. but nice try.

          • B.D.

            Okay, so your thesis statement is……..

          • jmsptrk

            you’re a dolt who is wasting his time with someone who could care less and is simply messing with your for his own amusement.

          • B.D.

            Thanks for admitting you have lost this exercise.

          • jmsptrk

            i doubt that.

          • B.D.

            Then, by all means refute my logics.
            But anything less is proof that you have lost the argument.

          • jmsptrk

            in your own mind.

          • B.D.

            Thank you for your capitulation.
            Play again any time.

          • jmsptrk

            oh this is rich. you, my friend, are hysterical. and apparently, the bigget dope on the entire internet. congratulations. you don’t even know when you’re not in a real argument and somebody is just messing with you, and yet… you think you’ve “won” a non-existent debate! AH HAHAHAHA.

          • SiouxPoo

            As the Sioux faithful constantly remind us: “UND doesn’t rebuild, they reload”.  With such a stacked deck you would think Hackstol would be able to have won a title by now.  95% of Division 1 teams do not have the ability to “reload” high-level talent each year like UND, so your point is mute.  And you are an obnoxious twat.

        • jmsptrk

          (BTW… that 1 like you received was by accident. I meant to hit reply. And unfortunately, I can’t unlike it).

          • B.D.

            So only the team that wins the final four is successful?  Interesting…

            Under that logic only one team out of the 58 in Division 1 hockey is therefore successful on a yearly basis?

            Wow, that is some steep curve that you are setting…..

    • Osorojo

      Does this mean I can “ALWAYS BE A HOTTENTOT” if I call myself one and copyright the name?  Race and culture are inconsequential but their titles can be casually counterfeited and bragged on?  Cool.

    • ibanezist00

      I’m really liking the sportsmanship and classiness that is oozing from your comment. I know all UND fans aren’t like you, but man, this sure leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

      • Anonymous

        let’s try and raise the level of discussion here……

        My suggestion for the new UND nick name –  ” The Fighting Sue”  with a pic of Johnny Cash on front of Jersey.  Listen to the lyrics……don’t mess with Sue or Sioux!

    • jmsptrk

      pure class. i would expect nothing else of north dakota.

      • Fan

        Because your apparent class shows right through your lack of understanding and laime comments right…  Get a CLUE!

        • jmsptrk

          spelling. yet another strong suit of north dakota… get a DICTIONARY.

          • nogofer

            Your envy and jealousy of North Dakota is apparent…

          • jmsptrk

            actually, that’s just your stupidity.

    • SiouxPoo

      Too bad the NCAA owns you.  And trust me, no one envies people who choose to live and go to school in North Dakota.  

      • nogofer

        You are terribly wrong, but I do not care.  You stay where you are and I’ll stay in God’s Country, NORTH DAKOTA.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LLSLQZCARQ5NY6RENEDOCWJCS4 Vinnie Vega

          …being bored and making sheep nervous.

          • B.D.

            Uhhhhh, no sheep in North Dakota.  Sorry, try again.

        • SiouxPoo

          If God likes fat chicks and hot dish…

          • B.D.

            Blondes and a one dish dinner?  Makes me wanna go home now.

  • JohnnyTsunami

    I think Fighting Capons will work. I can see the sweater now, a rooster without testicles, hanging its head in shame. Proud to be an alum that will buckle to the NCAA. They sure have been productive lately – busted the boys for trading tattoos for autographs. Thank God that was handled so they can resume with the team name issue.  

  • AustinA

    This whole thing is GARBAGE!!! There has NEVER been a bigger bunch of hipocrites then the NCAA…seriously The Fightin Irish?? The Orange in syracuse..yes that is an indian based nickname..its NOT fruit! The Chippiwas in Central Michigan…yes they made Marquette change from the warriors in the 90′s but yet the Seminoles still are strong at Florida St. Fellas lets be honest….this is a MONEY issue. This has NOTHING…and I mean NOTHING to do with morals and ethics.lol This is a joke and its why the NCAA gets no respect from anyone!!…sshhh don’t tell them

    • guest

      The orange is not indian based, they picked orange because it was the school color when they had to get rid of warriors. So to apply that to UND, you’d have to steal Dartmouth’s nickname…or go with “golden shower” as someone else had suggested.

      • After Further Review

        From the Syracuse Athletics Archive page:

        The Saltine Warrior, an Indian figure named Big Chief Bill Orange, was born in a hoax published in The Syracuse Orange Peel, October 1931. The remains of this 16th century Onondagan chief were supposedly found in the excavations near Steele Hall, the relocation site for the women’s gymnasium in 1928.

        Now how did Syracuse get it’s nickname?  They used to be Orangemen, that was obviously Native American, but Orange is OK, I guess.  I am not a UND fan and think this whole thing is ridiculous, but they most definitely are named after an Indian… ummmmmm, Native American!

      • After Further Review

        From the Syracuse Athletics Archive page:

        The Saltine Warrior, an Indian figure named Big Chief Bill Orange, was born in a hoax published in The Syracuse Orange Peel, October 1931. The remains of this 16th century Onondagan chief were supposedly found in the excavations near Steele Hall, the relocation site for the women’s gymnasium in 1928.

        Now how did Syracuse get it’s nickname?  They used to be Orangemen, that was obviously Native American, but Orange is OK, I guess.  I am not a UND fan and think this whole thing is ridiculous, but they most definitely are named after an Indian… ummmmmm, Native American!

        • Laurelmwhite

          Please re-read what you just wrote…the hoax was born in a paper called “The Syracuse Orange Peel” so might it not be that the “orange” part of said “chief’s” name could have come from an existing school tradition/colors? Example might be if Harvard had a “Chief John Crimson” you would not accuse the “Crimson” of being based on an indian chief…

          • guest

            I wanted to include the link that I found this on, but it is currently
            under moderator review. It was a page about school traditions and it
            stated that the school color of orange (only orange, but they also wear
            blue on their jerseys because is the most common color to pair with
            orange, apparently they originally wanted orange and olive green, ew)
            was chosen in 1890 which as you see predates the good chief. It follows
            that his odd name of “bill orange” was derived from a common name “bill”
            and the school color. Therefore the “orangemen” were called that
            because it’s their school color which was selected first. just as many
            of the ivyies have colors for their nicknames.

    • guest

      The orange is not indian based, they picked orange because it was the school color when they had to get rid of warriors. So to apply that to UND, you’d have to steal Dartmouth’s nickname…or go with “golden shower” as someone else had suggested.

  • Anonymous

    A lot of you guys really need to get your facts straight. I’m a Gopher fan, but UND never really got a fair chance with this. Per the GF Herald article-

    “The Spirit Lake Sioux Tribe gave its blessing through a referendum, but no such endorsement came from Standing Rock. Nickname supporters, including Standing Rock members who collected more than 1,000 signatures on a petition, have denounced Standing Rock tribal leaders for not allowing a referendum on their reservation.”

    http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/212620/

    The Standing Rock leaders wouldn’t allow a vote. Also, someone please correct me if I’m wrong, I remember the tribe trying to vote in a new council for the purpose of allowing a vote on the nickname, but the present council wouldn’t allow an election.

    • Gdart_s

      This is a point that needs to be stressed more. The process is flawed when a lack of vote is assumed to be a vote to convict. If the voters of Standing Rock get a chance to vote and ask the school to change the name, fine the process has carried through just like the other schools that have gone through this. A vote should be necessary in order to enact such a change.

      Otherwise, the opinions of the small group of Standing Rock Tribal Council members are deemed more important than their 1000′s of constituants, the Spirit Lake Sioux Tribe, the ND legislature, and all of the other name supporters out there. By simply sitting on their hands they are blocking the due process that will result in a much less controversial conclusion to this issue.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1560770414 Jeffrey Hastings

    It seems to me that the NCAA should be more concerned with the state of college football and all the violations being committed, then a nickname at a member school. I have no problem with the logo, which looks great, or the nickname “Fighting Sioux”. Compared to the Notre Dame logo, now that’s offensive. A cartoon leprechaun, drunk and itching for a fight.

  • Jljbam

    SIOUX NO NO..NO SIOUX SIOUX!!! HAHA GO DOGS!!!!! 2011 National Champs!!!

    • nogofer

      Welcome to the club:  Now behave like you’ve been here before…

  • FD8

    North Dakota cannot save their Suhaki. :(

    • SiouxPoo

      And the slow decline begins…

  • Osorojo

    Explain? No nation, race, or culture has been known through history as “The Greasers Crew.” This puts the rights for name and the copyright “Greasers Crew” (North Dakota or otherwise) up for grabs. It’s simple when you think about it.

    • B.D.

      Explain.

  • After Further Review

    Good article and may be true.  That took way too long though, to find.  If I have time, I’ll find another reason that I believe they are named after Indians.  By the way if they were Orangemen, why did they all of a sudden change to just Orange?  There has to be a legit reason or they wouldn’t have changed.  I’m going with they knew it was politically incorrect.  Like the St. John’s Redmen could have said they only wore red, that’s how they got their name too, but they changed to Red Storm.
    Either way, as I wrote in my last post, I could care less and think all of this is ridiculous.

    • guest

      Took way too long to find? I’m sorry, I have a job so the only time I have to surf the internet looking for school traditions is in the evenings…I guess it would be better if I were unemployed. I think all it took was a google search for “history of syracuse school colors” or something similar. I will try to be more prompt in my replies from now on.

      • After Further Review

        Not what I meant… I have a job too and don’t have extra time to search this.  I actually meant that it really doesn’t matter, so why bother spending any unnecessary time on it.  I have done some minimal looking and am getting about a 50/50 as to exactly where the name came from.  Anyways, you still avoided my question and obviously don’t understand that I don’t care how or why they are named Orange.

        • guest

          Because Orangemen/women is sexist and you must care as you bothered to follow up

          • After Further Review

            Actually, I don’t and I have continued to read because I love reading all the UND comments, gives me some laughs for the day!

          • B.D.

            Note that actually stories are being written about UND and that at this time 140 comments have been made about them on this particular story.

            Now compare that to the other 57 teams in division one hockey.  In comparison:
                The story about Notre Dame has 18 comments.
                The story about the US Hockey Hall of Fame has 2 Comments.
                The story about cocahing changes at Northeastern has 0 Comments.

            The comparison obviously shows an interest in the UND hockey program which has a significant fan base that all the other universities can only dream of.

          • SiouxPoo

            Half the posts on this website are from you.  Get a life.

          • B.D.

            If we go with your position that half of the current 154 postings are from me (math not even close to accurate), that means 77 postings are NOT from me and therefore show a significant interest in the subject that is UND Hockey.

            Please compare that to recent stories on other teams.  You will find most Division 1 teams do not broach the public consiousness.  Sorry, it is simply the truth.

  • Osorojo

    No tribe or nation has ever been commonly referred to as “The Greasers Crew,” nor has such a group ever signed a treaty with the United States of America. Anyone has the right to use AND copyright this name for their organization, including the Hot Babes Film Corporation and UND. 
    There is good reason to believe that neither of these organizations have the right right to call themselves “Sioux,” “fighting” or otherwise, AND copyright this name.
    If UND can’t copyright the F.S. name they don’t want it, and you can take that to the bank.

  • Guest

    I have no ties to North Dakota, but they will always be the Fighting Sioux to me.

    When Florida State has to change their name from the Seminoles.
    When Central Michigan has to change their name from the Chippewahs.
    When Illinois has to change their name from the Fighting Illini

    Then, and only then, will I feel good about the Fighting Sioux nickname being dropped.

  • JMB

    I think this is great.  I revel in the fact that I will not have to hear another ND fan discrace our National Anthem anymore, it is Home of the Brave!

  • G.F.

    To hell with the Sioux!  Conquered people aren’t supposed to get concessions.  If they wanted a better say in their future they should have adopted modern war tactics and acquired better weapons than bows and arrows and hatchets and whipped the Whites once and for all over a century ago.  But, they lost.  Yes they suffered brutally, but those who lose wars usually have throughout history.  Don’t blame the whites for their horrid living conditions on “the Rez”.  Let them be accountable for themselves and their conditions.  This name change is pure political correctness (aka Cultural Facism).  It accomplishes nothing of worth, which is typical of liberalism.

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