College Hockey:
Tabb Scores Two As Providence Upends Findlay, 5-2

— Behind the offense of junior forward Jessica Tabb, the Providence College Friars defeated Findlay University, 5-2, in action on Sunday at Findlay.

Tabb tallied two goals and one assist in the Friar victory, including the game-winner.

Freshman Meredith Roth gave Providence a 1-0 lead at 6:28 when she scored on a pass from freshman forward Gayle Shalloo.

Providence took a 3-0 lead into the first intermission as Tabb scored her first goal of the game at 11:08 and added what proved to be the game-winner at 19:56.

Findlay got on the board early in the second period. The Oilers narrowed Providence’s lead to 3-1 when junior forward Monell Schroeder converted on a power-play attempt at 1:20.

Providence responded to Findlay’s goal less than one minute later. Junior forward Kim Mathias scored on a pass from Tabb at 2:12 of the second period to give PC the 4-1 advantage.

Providence added another insurance goal at 6:25 of the third period when sophomore forward Danielle Culgin connected on a pass from Beth Wolf, before Findlay finished the scoring with a goal with under eight minutes remaining.

In goal, Friar junior netminder Brigid Keady stopped 23 shots while sophomore Erin Blair recorded 30 saves in the loss for Findlay.

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  • Guest

    Based on how the Gophers have been playing, I think they will miss the tournament (again) unless they win the Final Five- their remaining series won’t help them.

    • nogofer

      That would get Duluth back to the West which is, by it’s record, where it belongs. They and their fans have earned it (regardless of this gofer/homer xcel arena crap)…

  • Mainejeff

    You must have HATED getting rid of that Maine/Minnesota match-up in St. Paul…….LOL.

    Too bad.

  • Moy = Hack

    This feature is garbage.  For that matter, it has always been garbage.  How do you knock UND out and keep in Ohio State in?  They are tied in the PWR.  Also the Sioux’s advantage over Ohio State in TUC is a lot wider then the OSU advantage in the RPI.

    USCHO: Find a new writer.  Moy is a hack.

    • Streaker

      IIRC, the comparison tie is broken by who has the highest RPI. That’s not Jason’s rule, it is how the committee decides. 

      Ohio is playing their way out of the tournament, anyway- and if the Sioux had played better this season, this would also not be an issue. So save your bitterness, Hack. 

      • Moy = Hack

         RPI is a garbage statistic.  The only reason OSU has a MARGINALLY higher RPI is because the CCHA pads their schedule with a bunch of AH league teams.  Need anymore evidence?  Check out how the conference looks after the future shake-up.  Looks strong to quite strong… NOT!

        • WhiningCHA

          What does the future shakeup have to do with this year?  Nothing.  Congratulations.  You’re an idiot.

        • FunWithNumbers

          You should be happy they aren’t using KRACH.  The WCHA would only get TWO teams in!  

        • streaker

          Here’s a reality check for you (in other words, don’t let the facts get in the way):

          10 of 11 CCHA teams have a higher SoS than North Dakota right now. The only one that doesn’t is BG and they are 22. UND is 16. Michigan is #1 and STILL played three games against AHA opponents. FSU-9, MSU-2, NMU-4, OSU-5, Miami-7, ND-8, WMU-10, Alaska-11, LSSU-13.

          6 of 11 CCHA teams have a higher RPI than UND (including Ohio)

          2 of 11 CCHA teams have a higher win % than UND. 

          I’d re-think your opinion of the CCHA this season. Either that or ratchet down your opinion of your own team. But keep posting ignorance… your choice. 


          • Guest

            Exactly.  Last year the WCHA had the better SoS numbers and their fans went on and on about it in these comment sections.  When Yale’s SoS dropped to 30 that was “proof” they didn’t belong.  Duluth is 29 right now.  Denver is 22.

            And when they whine about scheduling, look at the facts:
            Out of conference opponents:
            Minnesota: 2 x Sacred Heart (3-24-3), 2 x Vermont (5-22-1), 2 x Michigan State (16-12-4), Niagara (14-10-8), Northeastern (11-14-3), Notre Dame (16-13-3).

            Duluth: 2 x Notre Dame (16-13-3), 2 x Providence (12-14-2), 2 x Western Michigan (15-12-5), 2 x Alabama Huntsville (2-28-1).

            Denver at least scheduled both BC (19-10-1), BU (17-10-1), Princeton (7-12-6), Miami (17-13-2), Union (17-6-7), Air Force (15-7-7), 2 x Alabama-Huntsville (2-28-1).

            Colorado College: 2 x RPI (8-19-3), Air Force (15-7-7), Union (17-6-7) and 2 x Cornell (13-6-6).

            I know schedule’s are made in advance and you can’t control when an opponent is going to have a bad year.  And I give props to the teams that scheduled Alabama-Huntsville.  But face it: CCHA has better numbers.

    • cmlobue

      This feature is excellent at what it claims to be for: predicting what the tournament bracket will look like.  Moy does a good job of explaining why he does what he does, and it almost entirely boils down to “the committee will do this”.  If you have a problem with who is in the tourney, your issue is with the NCAA.

  • curmudgeon

    what happens if someone other than Union wins the ECAC tournament and Union remains in the top 10 for PWI etc.?

    • Funwithbrackets

      Not much.  Another ECAC team would be the 15 or 16 seed.  The current 15, Ohio State, would be out of the tournament.  In the initial pairings 15 would go with 2 BC in the Northeast.  16 goes with 1 Ferris in the Midwest.  That doesn’t create any new issues.  The others intraconference matchups would remain.

  • Tywondo

    A sweep of mighty Alabama-Huntsville by Miami somehow knocks North Dakota out and puts Ohio State back in? Seriously? What a joke!!! A split with the defending champs on their ice with a injury plagued squad and you bounce them? Embarrassing.

    • pheg

       No s&%t. 

  • pheggut

    I can’t believe there are that many CCHA teams in this bracket when Ferris State is #1 in the country.  This proves the conference is GARBAGE.  Everyone knows Ferris State will either choke in the next couple of weeks or blow it in the first round of the tourney. How many times have we seen Miami’s team reach #1 only to watch them flush everything down the toilet a week or two later. 

    Also, if Union is in the top 10 and they lose the ECAC tourney they do not deserve to go to the tourney.  That conference is borderline D-III.  How do they get a conference tourney auto seat in the first place?

    • Guest

      I agree completely. I’m pretty sure the Sioux women could beat the Union men

      • pheggut

         HAHAHA!  Now that would be a great match-up.  I bet the Lamoureux girls could give the Dutchmen a run for their money.

        • Guest

          Final score: UND women 5 Union men 2

        • NorthDakotaWhineCountry

          Why do North Dakota’s men have so much trouble with ECAC teams?  You losers tied Harvard this year.  And you split multiple series with Cornell a few years back.

          • pheggut

            Last year the Sioux tied Harvard 4-4 then beat them 7-3.  Dont forget the regionals when the Sioux blanked RPI 6-0.  Sounds like the Sioux have a seriously hard time with ECAC teams.  Half of those squads don’t even deserve to suit up against Tech, let alone a premier program like NoDak, Denver or CC.


          • NorthDakotaWhineCountry

            Tie is not a win.  And you ignored the two splits with Cornell as in “You lost to Cornell TWICE”.

          • pheggut

             Oh yeah, I forgot to include the fictitious split with Cornell.  Considering we didn’t play Cornell last year, I say pass me whatever you are smoking because clearly you’ve had enough.

            Also, if you want to comp. the Sioux all time record against the ECAC –  go ahead. 

            SPOILER ALERT… it will reflect SHEAR DOMINANCE!  The conference blows and every real college hockey fan knows it.

          • NorthDakotaWhineCountry

            As I clearly said, “A FEW YEARS BACK”.  Obviously they don’t teach reading in North Dakota.

          • pheggut

             I see you forgot to consider the 10-1 win over Harvard A FEW YEARS BACK.

            Let me know how that UND vs. ECAC all time record stat turns out.  I’d wager its above 700.

            I would wager even more that UND has more national championships than all of the ECAC teams combined.  Oh wait… quick wikipedia check confirms it, 7 vs. 3.  Looks like you lose again SUCKER.

          • NorthDakotaWhineCountry

            Took longer than usual but as always, the North Dakota fan’s argument always falls back on “But we have seven titles!”  Nobody cares. Just like nobody cares about the strength of the WCHA.  We cheer for our teams, not our leagues.  There is no award for best league.  And Harvard is awful and has been for quite some time.  They were 9-16-6 that year.  Congratulations.  That would be like us bragging about beating Anchorage.  Also, love how you remember the 10-1 game but not the 4-3 game.  You’re just cherry picking.  Point is, you guys try to claim you would win every game against the ECAC and you can’t.  End of discussion.

          • pheggut

             And what team do you cheer for again?  I’m guessing its some dog team that maybe plays in the tourney once a decade?

          • NorthDakotaWhineCountry

            Who I cheer for is irrelevant to the discussion.  You should really take a class in logic or debate. you’re all over the map.  We all know that top to bottom the WCHA is a better league than the ECAC.  But as I said, they don’t give out awards for best league.  And when you guys play our better teams lately you’re .500 at best.

          • pheggut

             Ok, so we narrowed it down to a ECAC team.  I’m guessing your alma mater is either Dartmouth or RPI.  Am I right? 

          • NorthDakotaWhineCountry

            No, you’re not right.  This is boring and irrelevant.  

          • pheggut

             Sweet!  I guess I just got a glimpse into your day to day life… boring and irrelevant.

            Call me when Quinnipiac makes the tourney.

          • NorthDakotaWhineCountry

            I was referring to you and this “discussion”.  You’re boring and your points are irrelevant.  

          • pheggutlovesmen

            Bottom line…CCHA & WCHA grads flip burgers when they graduate, ECAC grads run the country…

          • Yeah Buddyyy

            I’m counting 5 ncaa championships for the ECAC, just saying…

          • NorthDakotaWhineCountry

            pheggut sucks at math as well as reading.

          • Jason

            And the Souix by themselves have 7, the Badgers have 6 and the Gophers have 5. So congrats we have 3 teams that have just as many if not more championships than your entire conference.

          • Guest

            And what does that have to do with bracketology?  Oh right.  NOTHING.

          • Beeeej

            ECAC teams have 5 national championships combined. Cornell – 2, Rensselaer – 2, Harvard – 1. Not that this weakens your argument about North Dakota’s supremacy much, but it does mean you’re not very good at this.

          • Guest

            I think Robert Morris offers a class that’s simply called “reading”

          • NorthDakotaWhineCountry

            And oh yeah, there’s that North Dakota loss to Yale in the NCAAs.  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

          • Fan Man

             How is Yale this year?  Oh ya wait, their not overated at least…

          • NorthDakotaWhineCountry

            Irrelevant.  You’re trying to change the argument which is that the ECAC can put together teams that can beat WCHA teams.

          • Fatty Mcgee

            You guys are ignorant calling Union out.  You have any idea who one of their top players is?  Kelly ZAJAC (you may be familiar w/ the name) who spurned North Dakota to come out east.  I hope they get to play North Dakota in the NCAAs, b/c it’d be a favorable draw. 

          • pheggut

             Wrong bucko… Kelly is a Canadian.  His brother Darcy had a horrible work ethic.  Also, I’m pretty sure any third rate player can put up superb numbers against those dog ECAC teams.  Pretty hard to deek out a siv. 

          • Fatty Mcgee

            Wasn’t Darcy captain of the team his senior year?  Ya’ You Betcha!  And Travis was pretty good too.  Point is, your players are not untouchables and your team is obviously good, but beatable by a team like Union.  Union pounded Michigan this year @ Yost. I don’t think they’d be intimidated by North Dakota. 
            Your just a son of a gunderson!

          • Quitwhining

            You are so dumb its actually a bit funny.  The dutchmen have beaten Michigan and Merrimack this year and if im not mistaken only lost by one to CC and Denver.  Buddy the sioux arent that good this year compared to other years.  You just arent, its not hard to see

          • Chrisgal

            And UND lost to Yale in the tournament 2010…..And those Lamoureux “girls” never deserve to win another game after bailing on Minny….

          • guest

            You should also know that those ECAC games are usually when ND’s best players are playing in the World Juniors.  It’s a great time to play the younger players who don’t normally play.  You can’t fault any one team for that.

    • Ferris_Student

       Everyone has to stop ripping on Ferris. Just because we are a small school it doesn’t mean we don’t know how to play hockey. The team we have this year is well rounded and we don’t rely on one player like we did when Chris Kunitz played for us. We are first in the CCHA which includes some Big Ten schools, i.e. Michigan and Michigan State. Also, Ferris was the first to reach the 20 win mark this season. Yes, Ferris did lose to some teams that they shouldn’t have, but who hasn’t this season? If there is one thing that we Michiganders know it’s good hockey. So just stop complaining and enjoy the rest of the season.

      GO DAWGS!!!!!!!!!

      • pheggut

         Stop ripping on Ferris State?  This is easily the geighest post yet. 

      • Fattymoto

        Im a sioux fan . . . That being said, ferris has a good team and deserves a birth for sure. The fact that ohio state is in and ND isnt as of right now iiiiiiiiiiiis garbage. OSU hasnt won a game this year. Miami, eh, theyre a bubbleteam, rightfully so. I do think some of the 9-16 rankings are a little wack. Bottom line though, in a single elimination tourney every team is scary and i wouldnt be confident playing anybody. Even teams that are far superior can get outplayed and even though i think our depleted team is better than half of these, i wouldnt discount anybody.

        • Guest

          You want to favor a team that starts poorly and finishes strong over a team that does the opposite.  Unfortunately, the system doesn’t allow for that.  At one time the last 15 games were given more weight but that isn’t the case now.  Anyway, there are enough games left that will allow North Dakota and Ohio State to play themselves in or out of the tournament.  But someone has to be the first team left out and I don’t think recent streaks is any more or less fair than any other criteria.

    • Redhawk12

      I’m pretty sure Miami has played in the national championship much more recently then the fighting no names. Can’t wait for the NCHC to run you guys out of goggin with ur tails between your legs.

      • Fan Man

         I cant wait to turn your team into an ACHA looking team too…..  Ur days are numbered!!!!

    • Union Fan

      Union: nations best team defense (1.8 gaa), best goalie (1.59 gaa), top 5 offense (3.5 g/game).  Early they went into Ann Arbor and blew out MI 6-3 and MA to roll over No. 5 Merrimack 3-1. 

      But in their last 10 games union has outscored opponents 42-14 (thats 3:1).  Forget regionals, I’m booking ticks to Tampa…

    • guest

       UND isn’t even going to make it this year…haha

    • referee

      ECAC is borderline DIII? Let me guess, another guy who thinks hockey doesn’t exist outside the state of Minnesota.

    • whoisthisguy

      Since there are no pro sports teams in North Dakota, this guy thinks he can come in here and bash everyone else in the country. I have news for you buddy… the fact is no one cares about North Dakota except the people who live there.

      • Fan Man

         Id take our economy and sports team anyday over your lousy state deficit and loser programs….

      • zippy

        Oh Yeah, the farmers care about the sheep

      • zippy

        Oh Yeah, the farmers care about the sheep

      • nogofer

        Are you certain you want to bring pro sports into the argument?  mn is woefully lacking in pro sports, except for the Lynx!!!

    • Todd Kort

      Union is far more deserving of a tourney bid than the winner of the Atlantic Hockey conference (likely RIT or Air Force).  

      The Atlantic conference has a 16-57-8 record in non-conference games.  Can anyone justify why the Atlantic conference is deserving of an automatic bid?RIT and Air Force are rated #39 and #40 in the KRACH ratings, which are more statistically sound than the Pairwise rankings.

  • Guest

    Also in USCHO’s own poll North Dakota is ahead of Miami, Michigan State and Miami, yet all three are in this weeks bracketology and UND is out.  What sense does that make?

    • Pollsdontcount

      Because polls don’t determine the NCAA field.  You’re an idiot or a troll.

      • Guest

        Ouch. You really got me there. I don’t even know how to respond to that.  Nice name by the way.  Real creative…..

        • Pollsdontcount

          Nice comeback.  Just admit the polls don’t count in the NCAA selection.  And also admit that the polls reflect how the voters feel about how the teams are playing right now whereas the pairwise takes into account the entire season.  A team can start poorly and get better and therefore have a poll ranking higher than PWR.

  • PetroniDE

    Why not switch 12-Michigan St. and 13-Minnesota.  Keeps both teams in the same bracket, Minnesota at home, and removes two intra-conference first round match-ups.  Switching two teams with adjacent seeds, even if different bands does not ruin bracket integrity.

  • bronxbomberz41

    if NoDak was so good, why are the struggling at 16th to get in?  NoDak is lower than OSU in the RPI.  WCHA only has 3-4 teams that could make a case for qualifying, HEA has 5 and CCHA has 6.  Better conferences this year than WCHA.  you NoDak fans have your heads so far up your asses you can’t even see that your team isn’t as good this year as some others.  Not that they are bad, just not as good, especially compared to the rest of the country.

    • pheggut

       What a geigh answer. 

    • Fan Man

       Put UND in a match against Ferris State and Id put $100 that we win!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DT3Z5Z36A3AZK3AGRYZAGSRN4I john rambo

    6 CCHA teams?????

    Not only does the CCHA play all of their nonconference games against atlantic hockey teams, they all play 2 game series with alabama huntsville…so naturally the non-conference win % is extremely high
    oooooo someone beat canisius, another swept robert morris… and if not that, its one game with a mid to low end ECAC team
    10 out of 11 teams in the CCHA are “teams under consideration” what a joke
    The WORST hockey east team (Vermont) beat the BEST CCHA team (Ferris State), the 2nd worst HE team (Northeastern) beat Michigan and swept Notre Dame
    Why has no one caught on to any of this? Maybe Miami will magically get a 1 seed again and blow it in the first round like every other year…..

    • Guest

      I remember last year you WCHA guys were trying to justify a sixth or seventh team for the NCAAs.  Those midpack teams “padded” their schedules with the dregs of the CCHA and AHA.  Although they couldn’t beat the top WCHA teams at all the midpack teams would end up with decent records.  And their victories boosted the Strength of Schedule (and RPI) of the WCHA as a whole.  Didn’t see you guys claiming that was a problem then.

    • Mc7061

      CCHA has played WCHA teams most in non-conference, and ECAC as much as Atlantic Hockey.  Also, less than half of the teams played Ala-Huntsville.  Also, the 3rd worst CCHA team beat Hockey East’s 2 best teams, Boston U and Boston C.  Nobody’s caught on to this, because you just made that stuff up.  Just stating facts here.

    • streaker

      Genius, take a look at the post I did above showing the CCHA SoS as of February 16th. Don’t you people try to use facts in your arguments??

      If the CCHA padded their nonconference schedule with cupcakes and the league was crap, then it would be reflected in SoS compared to the vaunted W and HEA.

  • pheggut

    “[Moy] has been writing Bracketology since 2004 and has never missed predicting the NCAA field.”Is this his prediction after the conference tourneys are played?  Or before?  If its after the conference tourneys are played you might as well crown him Nostradamus.  I wake up after the WCHA tourney in a drunken stooper, shivering from withdrawl (too many roaring lions and vodkas) and can still nail down who is going to the big show. sound.

    • Tywondo

      Those roaring lion and vodkas are lethal!!!!!

    • NorthDakotaNeedsEducation

      You are seriously stupid.  The bracketology column is not meant to predict the field in March.  It’s to show what the field would be if the season ended today.  And then where the teams would be seeded and which regional they would be assigned to.

  • I Bleed Maroon And Gold

    It blows my mind how many people have posted in this discussion who have no idea how the tournament bracket it constructed or what the point of this article is.  Polls mean nothing and Jayson doesn’t “choose” what teams he puts in the bracket.  The tournament teams are seeded based on the pairwise rankings.  That’s it.  There’s no subjective opinion like in the basketball tourney.  The fact that 6 CCHA teams are in and UND is not is due to the computers and formula used in the PWR.  Understand?

    Now, back on topic a bit more: Moy was playing with all kinds of moving of seeds and what not to account for Minnesota at home, keeping #1 seeds close to home, and protecting the number one overall seed.  My question, why not just “switch” Michigan and Minnesota-Duluth from the original bracket? Yes, it technically makes UMD a #2 seed and Mich a #1, but it eliminates two intra conference matchups and maintains bracket integrity.  Michigan and UMD are the # 4 & #5 overall seeds, so flip flopping them makes no difference other than who they play in the first round.  Just an idea I guess…

    • DU_Fan

      You are absolutely WRONG about the seeding always being based strictly by PWR. Look at last year!!!! They haven’t kept the 1/8/9/16, 2/7/10/15, 3/6/11/14, 4/5/12/13, seedings in 3 years. That is why there is so much discussion, and the reason these seedings are crapola. You would get NO complaints from me if they would stick to what they should, leaving the 1-4 seeds closest to home, and seeding the rest strictly by PWR. Can’t believe you are from the state of hockey.  :-)

      • I Bleed Maroon And Gold

        I can see how you think I was wrong because after first reading your post I thought I had said it wrong too, but actually, I think I said it correctly.  The seeds are based on PWR, the brackets are not. The teams that make the tournament are seeded based on the PWR.  After the PWR determines who makes the tournament, teams are switched within the brackets for attendance, intra-conference matchups, etc. So, you end up with a 1, 5, 11, 14 bracket in St. Paul for example, instead of 1, 8, 9, 16.  The teams are still seeded the same, but in the bracket it is messed up.  

        On a separate note, now that I look at it, that bracket would really screw Ferris St.  Not only would they play the host school in the first round, but could potentially play the overall 5 seed instead of 8/9 in the regional final.  Brutal.Either way, people arguing for less CCHA teams or the inclusion of UND shouldn’t be complaining about how Moy put together the bracket.  One, there’s lots of hockey left to play and two, it’s similar to the BCS in my opinion.  There are lots of arguments for the inclusion/exclusion of specific teams, but it comes down to the computers in the end. 

        • DU_Fan

          You are perfect on what I meant, and thanks for the congrats. This weekends game were both worthy of Frozen Four material. Last year BC was moved out of the New Hampshire bracket, breaking the “committee’s rule” immediately. This had a knock-on effect of pairing DU and ND in the same bracket. This bracket in Green Bay also violated the strict 1/8/9/16, etc. pairings. This is an important reason we need to go by strict “rules” when pairing teams up. Travel should not enter into the brackets. The difference between a 2 hour flight and 3 hour flight is miniscule.

      • I Bleed Maroon And Gold

        Also, congrats on the two wins last weekend. Great for you guys, terrible for us.  Hopefully we both make the tourney and meet in Tampa…

  • NationalHockeyFan

     Understand attendance concerns; but tour last move Denver – Maine potentially sets up all four of the regionally final as intra-conference.  Since national TV is also an audience, I would think having as many interconference regional finals as possible would be a better choice.

  • fcc56

    Jason asks which bracket the readers prefer. The most interesting to me is the one before he swaps Maine and Denver. I think that bracket offers the most attractive match-ups.

    I personally prefer games between teams from different conferences in the early rounds; I’m less interested in west vs. west and east vs. east (this isn’t the NHL, after all).

    Let’s take, for example, the Northeast:

    Air Force vs. Boston College
    Union vs. Denver
    I like this bracket. I have not had a chance to see AF play, but I gather they have a lot of team speed. Denver also generally has good speed, although in the recent game against Minnesota I saw it looked to me that the Gophers were a bit quicker (at least that night) even though they lost. BC always comes with speed, of course, and they have a good history with Denver, so that’s in interesting match-up. I’ve only seen Union in its televised game with Merrimack and neither team looked particularly quick (or even all that good).

    As we saw in the tournament last year, the most dangerous opponent for a speed team is another speed team. When you expect to have the faster team in every game, you may not be ready for an opponent that is as fast or faster, and this is, I think, what happened last year to BC against Colorado College. CC was probably the worst match-up in the tournament for BC, because BC is always looking to attack and CC’s own team speed allowed it to get behind the BC defense.

    Assuming I am correct about Air Force, this bracket brings together three fast teams, each of which could provide a real challenge for the others, including AF vs. BC. It has the added attraction of allowing teams that don’t ever see each other (BC/Denver excluded) to play, and with the limited number of non-conference games available each year, I like this aspect. For BC and BU especially, the Beanpot costs them two non-conference games, even when they play each other (or Northeastern), so they are already limited there, and with Notre Dame coming into the conference, the number of non-conference opponents will be even smaller. About the only ECAC team BC plays with any regularity is Harvard (they did get Yale this season). They last played Air Force in a holiday tournament in 2007, and I can’t remember BC ever playing Union (#1 in this week’s Bleacher Reports power rankings!!).

    Of course, none of this will matter once the season and league tournaments are over–do we really expect Ferris St. to finish as the top seed (although Yale undeservingly did last season), or for both BC and BU to be #1 seeds? Probably not. But I like this week’s Bracketology tournament, without the Maine – Denver swap.

  • DU_Fan

    Normal biased garbage bracketology..  3 WCHA teams and 2 land in the same bracket.  Guess the “experts” remember 2005!!!

  • Mozol17

    East- Bridgeport-
    1. UMD
    2. Umass
    3. Union

    Northeast- Worcester, mass
    1. BC
    2. Michigan
    3. merrimack
    4.Ohio state

    Midwest- Green bay
    1. Ferris State
    2. Maine
    3.northern Michigan
    4.Air force

    West- St. Paul
    1. BU
    2. Denver
    3. Michigan State

    i started out by putting #1′s in the most desirable place and minnesota in st. paul. i then put the teams in my bracket based on the rankings only. i then fixed the intra-confrence in st paul. after that i spent some time on google maps to figure out what would be the best locations for some of the eastern schoolsand moved my bracket around as best as possible to help attendance out there. now i know people will hate having umd out east and BU out west but considering the other schools in those locations the attendance wont suffer to dramatically. i know it is far from perfect and i have little experience doing this myself but its what i came up with in 20 min.

    • Anonymous

      ST. PAUL
      14 Minnesota vs. 1 Ferris St.
      9 Northern Michigan vs. 7 Denver

      13 Miami vs. 4 Minnesota-Duluth
      12 Michigan State vs. 5 Michigan

      15 Ohio State vs. 3. Boston Univeristy
      11 Merrimack vs. 6 Mass-Lowell

      16 Air Force vs. 2 Boston College
      10 Union vs. 9 Maine

      I started out putting #1′s in the most diserable place. I then filled out the bracket just like the PWR told me to (bracket integrity in its purest form). This originally put Minnesota in Bridgeport to play BU which isn’t allowed. Instead of the knee jerk reaction of placing them in the the St. Paul bracket (So defined by the placement of #1 seed Minn-Duluth), I moved the Gophers to play the other “western” #1, Ferris St. The rationale being to avoid the intra-conference matchup with Duluth because only three WCHA teams are in this tournament. I then just called that the Western Regional.

      I did not fear the inter-conferance matchups btw Mich/Mich St and Mass-Lowell/Merrimack because Item 4 of the above noted championship committee guidelines tells me to preserve bracket intergrity due to five or more teams representing both CCHA and Hockey East. (The happy side-effect of following this rule. Attendance at Bridgeport and Green Bay is now spectacular. Mich St./Mich in the first round. Are you kidding me!!!)

      My final tweak was to swap Denver and Maine for the same reason Moy did. Attendance. St. Paul will be fine with the host. Worcester is more than fine expecially if the Atlantic Hockey team is somebody other than Air Force.

      I’ll give you three guesses who I hope that AH team ends up being. 


  • Sioux Fan 4 life

    To be honest this ripping on UND is pathetic. The injuries this year have been detrimental, but once again they have really stepped up their game the second half. To leave them out of the tournament this year instead of a team like Cornell would be a college hockey travesty. Quite honestly there are no stand out teams in college hockey that are unbeatable. We might not root for a conference, but to say our team plays a harder schedule is a fair fight. ECAC is weak hockey, you can’t argue against that. The WCHA and Hockey East are like the SEC and BIG10 of football. The teams battle week in and out unlike CCHA and ECAC. Sioux should be in the tournament and for being a “bad” team will upset a couple teams.

    • UofMGoldenChokers

       Remember like 3 or 4 years ago that Wisconsin made the tourney while Mankato, who had a much better record and pairwise standing, didnt make it? I think who ever selects these teams just does so by money and who they like. There was no way Wisconsin should have been in that tournament.

      • Strictlypairwise

        I just checked this.  Wisconsin had 11 Pairwise comparison wins which made them the 12 seed.  Notre Dame and Mankato each had 10 comparison wins and were tied for 13th.  Princeton won the ECAC Tournament and their autobid got them the 14 seed which meant 13 was the cutoff.  Notre Dame won the Pairwise comparison with Mankato and had the higher RPI so Mankato was out.  The only “controversy” was that while Wisconsin had more comparison wins they lost the comparisons to both Notre Dame and Mankato.

    • FunWithNumbers

      No, it wouldn’t be a travesty.  The criteria are laid out in advance and the Pairwise is based on the entire season of work.  Sorry your team sucked it up at the beginning of the year.  If they’re as good as you think they’ll play their way right in over the next few weeks.  If they don’t. . . 

      And if you don’t like Pairwise, take a look at KRACH.  You would be on the outside looking in there, too.  The WCHA Strength of Schedule wasn’t that good this year.

  • Anonymous

    Yawn……lets just wait another month, u know things will just change big time anyhow, so why even bother, lol…….

  • http://twitter.com/Scotty3451 Scott Welp

    They really need to drop the host school rule, and then there wouldn’t be so many issues protecting the #1 seeds. Every year there is at least one regional where a lower seeded team plays in its backyard while a #1 seed travels across the country. If the committee was truly concerned about the #1′s, they’d get rid of this rule immediately.

    • jdhockeyboyz

      Host schools supply ticket buying fans and fill otherwise empty seats.  this isn’t football or roundball and there just isn’t enough casual interest out there to fill seats.

  • collegehockeyfan

    This isn’t nodak bias, but I can’t see the ncaa taking Ohio state over nodak as that last seed.  NCAA wants cashhhhhhh.  If the ECAC doesn’t bring a lot of cashhhhhh, then they are not good in the ncaa’s eyes.  

    • ThisIsNotRocketScience

      They will take whoever the Pairwise says they should take.  Why is this so hard for people to understand?

      • collegehockeyfan

        If two teams are tied for the last spot in the Pairwise, they are going to take the team with the better draw, which equals more $.  Not hard to understand, but just pointing out what will actually happen if the bracket were picked today.  No offense to the smaller programs, they always get the short end of the stick.  It’s something that is dealt with in all college sports.

        Previous occurrences are not rocket science my friend.  I feel like if you have followed college hockey the past few years, you would understand this, I must be a rocket scientist.

        • ThisIsNotRocketScience

          Teams can’t be tied because they have TIEBREAKERS.  Good lord, you’re stupid.  The criteria are perfectly laid out and for the last ten years the Pairwise has predicted the field.  You have to go back much further for smoke filled room conspiracies.

          • collegehockeyfan

            There have been many teams on that bubble for the tournament that get bumped out because of their attendance pull.  Sad to see, but I tried to point that out as that IS what would happen in a situation like that.  The point I was attempting to make is that the TIEBREAKER for the NCAA is $$$$$$$$$$$$, get a clue man.  Pairwise says they are TIED, they will take the team that will make the most $$$$$$$$$, regardless of the tiebreaker for the ranking.  BCS also said a team like BOISE STATE was supposed to be in a BCS game, but they took a team like MICHIGAN instead.  Just pointing out the obvious that happens in college sports, I know that the Pairwise rankings determine most of the field, but the border teams that aren’t major programs never get the chance.  Not trying to argue with you, just pointing out something that nobody else had yet, take it as you want.

          • ThisIsNotRocketScience

            Name one time the Pairwise didn’t predict the field.  It’s been 100 percent accurate since 2003 when the field expanded to 16 teams.

          • collegehockeyfan

             07′ Miami(OH) got in instead of Wisconsin, where Wisconsin was actually 2 spots ahead in the pairwise, no ties.

          • ThisIsNotRocketScience

            I wrote out a long response with links to USCHO articles from 2007 and a Pairwise generator.  Because I included links my post has to be “moderated”.  Who knows if it will ever show up.  Long story short, you’re wrong.  Maybe you have the year wrong.  But in 2007 Wisconsin was tied with Denver at 15th in the Pairwise with 10 comparison wins each.  Neither made the tournament because the CHA and AHA autobids took spots 15 and 16.  Miami was alone at 14 with 12 comparison wins.  There was a three way tie at 11 between UMass, St. Lawrence and Maine.

          • collegehockeyfan

             also in 07′ Wisconsin was tied with Maine, but Maine had the better RPI so your ‘Tiebreaker’ worked on that tie. 

          • ThisIsNotRocketScience

            Final Bracketology of 2007 had Maine in a three-way tie for 11th with UMass and St. Lawrence.  Each had 13 comparison wins.  Moy broke the tie using head-to-head i.e. UMass was 11 because they won both comparisons with Maine and St. Lawrence. SLU won the comparison with Maine so he made SLU 12 and Maine 13.  Miami was alone at 14 with 12 comparison wins.  Wisconsin was tied with Denver at 15 with 10 comparison wins each.  CHA and AHA autobids took spots 15 and 16 so neither  Wisconsin or Denver made the tournament.  Note that in 2007 there was an RPI bonus of unknown amount for “good” non-conference road wins.  Moy used 0.003.


            When the brackets were announced the only difference from Moy’s final bracketology was the tie breaking of the UMass-SLU-Maine.  He speculated that they went by RPI rather than head-to-head comparison.  This made Maine 11, SLU 12 and UMass 13.  Moy nailed the 16 teams in the tournament.




    Ok to end all of this discussion i think we compare how the ECAC teams compared when they play WCHA teams in the NCAA tournament the past 5 years.
    WCHA: 3
    ECAC: 0
    WCHA: 0
    ECAC: 1
    WCHA: 1
    ECAC: 0
    WCHA: 1
    ECAC: 1
    WCHA: 0
    ECAC: 0
          WCHA 5 ECAC 2 so it looks like the WCHA is usually better than the ECAC when it really counts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Guest

      Nice cherry picking.  I look at that and see 2011 skews your entire data set.  Duluth, a good team already, got hot and swept to the title.  And UND beat the last at large team in RPI.  Impressive indeed.  The four years before that show the leagues were tied 2-2.  But why not go back to 2006 when Cornell beat Colorado College and lost to Wisconsin?  2004 Cornell lost to Minnesota.  2003 Cornell beat Mankato.  Starts to look a little more even, doesn’t it?

      We all get it that the WCHA has more good teams.  What’s odd is how you guys scream about letting anyone else in the tournament.  And we know why.  You’re afraid of losing to a supposedly inferior league.  You don’t want a repeat of the Yale incident.

  • Dlakers35

    HORRIBLE! moving ferris state to St.Paul over UMD ? what drugs are you on? UMD will draw 4x the crowd this Ferris State bullshit will….Screw damn Minnesota in attendance. Have UMD,UofM,Michigan,NMU in St.Paul….youll have a 19,000+ sellout every game.


    This is to all the annoying Sioux fans out there. You may have 7 National Championships but you don’t have 9 Michigan does, so when you guys want to be the best in college hockey as you guys claim you are then tie them with 9, untill then you are only second best in your only agrument you have to say to anyone.

    • Guest

      And what the North Dakota fans fail to realize is that people hate them not because of their seven titles but because they are the biggest jerks on the USCHO boards.  We’re not jealous of you titles.  Following that logic I should hate Michigan even more.  I don’t hate Michigan at all.  I should Denver (7 titles).  I don’t.  Notice how people laughed at Minnesota for losing to Holy Cross but didn’t when Denver lost to RIT.  Now ask yourself why people make fun of North Dakota for losing to Yale.

      • Fan Man

         Yet nobody else is jerks on here but Sioux fans right!  No arguing against your supreme logic…   I better just not talk or Ill become a jerk too for stating my opinions on matters that nobody else but hockey snobs care about

        • Guest

          Screaming that everyone else sucks and that doesn’t deserve to be ranked where they are or they should not be in the tournament may be your opinion but it makes you guys look like asses.  Poor sportsmanship.  And yeah, the North Dakota crap far outnumbers the other fan bases.  Again, ask yourself why so many people came here to celebrate North Dakota losing in the Frozen Four last year.    

    • Fan Man

       I dont think anybody Sioux Fans claim to be the best, just one of them bud…

  • Jerry

    I believe that the writer stated that this is what he believes the bracket looks like as of the point in time when he wrote the article. Things have changed quite a bit since last week in terms of rankings. When he does this exercise again next week it will probably look different than this installment. By that time ND may be in and OSU out. Minnesota may be out and Miami in. So don’t read so much into these brackets.
    I think it is interesting to see how things will change over the next couple of weeks and then compare them to what the actual bracket will be come March.

  • Jimmy

    some how mass. lowell is still going to play michigan state. As a fan of mass. lowell should i look forward to this matchup of should i hope for a better one

  • Union Fan

    Uh oh, union fans just bought up whole section in tampa.  that’s right – still only one loss in 2012…  This weekend the nations best team D and top 5 offense won both games – outscoring opponents a combined 8-2…

  • Guest

    Thankfully North Dakota is now at 14.  Maybe their whiny fans will shut up now.  Who am I kidding.  They won’t.  

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