Shuffling No. 3 seeds to keep them in their region

Welcome to the next installment of our Bracketology, and we’ll keep bringing you a new one every week until we make our final picks before the field is announced.

If you want to skip the inner workings and get to the results of the analysis, then click here.

Here are the facts:

• Sixteen teams are selected to participate in the national tournament.

• There are four regional sites (East — Bridgeport, Conn.; Northeast — Worcester, Mass.; Midwest — Green Bay, Wis.; West — St. Paul, Minn.)

• A host institution which is invited to the tournament plays in the regional for which it is the host, and cannot be moved. There are four host institutions this year: Yale in Bridgeport, Holy Cross in Worcester, Michigan Tech in Green Bay and Minnesota in St. Paul.

• Seedings will not be switched, as opposed to years past. To avoid undesirable first-round matchups, including intra-conference games (see below), teams will be moved among regionals, not reseeded.

Here are the NCAA’s guidelines on the matter, per a meeting of the championship committee:

In setting up the tournament, the committee begins with a list of priorities to ensure a successful tournament on all fronts including competitive equity, financial success and likelihood of playoff-type atmosphere at each regional site. For the model, the following is a basic set of priorities:

• The top four teams as ranked by the committee are the four No. 1 seeds and will be placed in the bracket so that if all four teams advance to the Men’s Frozen Four, the No. 1 seed will play the No. 4 seed and the No. 2 seed will play the No. 3 seed in the semifinals.

• Host institutions that qualify will be placed at home.

• No. 1 seeds are placed as close to home as possible in order of their ranking 1-4.

• Conference matchups in first round are avoided, unless five or more teams from one conference are selected, then the integrity of the bracket will be preserved.

• Once the five automatic qualifiers and 11 at-large teams are selected, the next step is to develop four groups from the committee’s ranking of 1-16. The top four teams are the No. 1 seeds. The next four are targeted as No. 2 seeds. The next four are No. 3 seeds and the last four are No. 4 seeds. These groupings will be referred to as “bands”.

Given these facts, here is the top 16 of the current PairWise Rankings (PWR), and the No. 1 seeds in their conference tournaments (through all games of March 6, 2012):

1 Boston College
2t Michigan
2t Massachusetts-Lowell
2t Minnesota-Duuth
5 Ferris State
6t Boston University
6t Minnesota
8 Union
9t Miami
9t Maine
11 Denver
12 Michigan State
13 North Dakota
14t Cornell
14t Merrimack
16 Northern Michigan
29t Air Force

Here are the current No. 1 seeds in their respective tournaments:

Atlantic Hockey: Air Force
CCHA: Ferris State
ECAC Hockey: Union
Hockey East: Boston College
WCHA: Minnesota

Notes

• Bracketology assumes that the season has ended and there are no more games to be played. i.e., the NCAA tournament starts tomorrow.

• I will be using the No. 1 seed in each conference tournament. This team is my assumed conference tournament champion and is awarded the automatic bid.

Step one

From the committee’s report, choose the 16 teams in the tournament.

We break ties in the PWR by looking at how the teams rank in the Ratings Percentage Index, and add in any No. 1 seeds that are not currently in the top 16. The only team that is not is Air Force.

From there, we can start looking at the ties and bubbles in a more detailed fashion.

The ties and bubbles consist of Michigan, Massachusetts-Lowell and Minnesota-Duluth at 2, Boston University and Minnesota at 6, Miami and Maine at 9, and Cornell and Merrimack at 14.

We break all of our ties based upon the RPI.

Therefore the 16 teams in the tournament, in rank order, and adding in any conference leaders not already in the Top 16, are:

1 Boston College
2 Michigan
3 Massachusetts-Lowell
4 Minnesota-Duluth
5 Ferris State
6 Boston University
7 Minnesota
8 Union
9 Miami
10 Maine
11 Denver
12 Michigan State
13 North Dakota
14 Cornell
15 Merrimack
16 Air Force

Step two

Now it’s time to assign the seeds.

No. 1 seeds — Boston College, Michigan, Massachusetts-Lowell, Minnesota-Duluth
No. 2 seeds — Ferris State, Boston University, Minnesota, Union
No. 3 seeds — Miami, Maine, Denver, Michigan State
No. 4 seeds — North Dakota, Cornell, Merrimack, Air Force

Step three

Place the No. 1 seeds in regionals.

No. 1 Boston College is placed in the Northeast Regional in Worcester.
No. 2 Michigan is placed in the Midwest Regional in Green Bay.
No. 3 Massachusetts-Lowell is placed in the East Regional in Bridgeport.
No. 4 Minnesota-Duluth is placed in the West Regional in St. Paul.

Step four

Now we place the other 12 teams so as to avoid intra-conference matchups if possible.

Begin by filling in each bracket by banding groups. Remember that teams are not assigned to the regional closest to their campus sites by ranking order within the banding (unless you are a host school, in which case you must be assigned to your home regional).

If this is the case, as it was last year, then the committee should seed so that the quarterfinals are seeded such that the four regional championships are played by No. 1 vs. No. 8, No. 2 vs. No. 7, No. 3 vs. No. 6 and No. 4 vs. No. 5.

We have to place Minnesota first as a host institution.

So therefore:

No. 2 seeds

No. 7 Minnesota is placed in No. 4 Minnesota-Duluth’s regional, the West Regional.
No. 8 Union is placed in No. 1 Boston College’s regional, the Northeast Regional.
No. 6 Boston University is placed in No. 2 Michigan’s regional, the Midwest Regional.
No. 5 Ferris State is placed in No. 3 Massachusetts-Lowell’s regional, the East Regional.

No. 3 seeds

Our bracketing system has one regional containing seeds 1, 8, 9, and 16, another with 2, 7, 10, 15, another with 3, 6, 11, 14 and another with 4, 5, 12 and 13.

No. 9 Miami is placed in No. 8 Union’s regional, the Northeast Regional.
No. 10 Maine is placed in No. 7 Minnesota’s regional, the West Regional.
No. 11 Denver is placed in No. 6 Boston University’s regional, the Midwest Regional.
No. 12 Michigan State is placed in No. 5 Ferris State’s regional, the East Regional.

No. 4 seeds

One more time, taking No. 16 vs. No. 1, No. 15 vs. No. 2, etc.

No. 16 Air Force is sent to No. 1 Boston College’s regional, the Northeast Regional.
No. 15 Merrimack is sent to No. 2 Michigan’s regional, the Midwest Regional.
No. 14 Cornell is sent to No. 3 Massachusetts-Lowell’s regional, the East Regional.
No. 13 North Dakota is sent to No. 4 Minnesota-Duluth’s regional, the West Regional.

The brackets as we have set them up:

West Regional:
North Dakota vs. Minnesota-Duluth
Maine vs. Minnesota

Midwest Regional:
Merrimack vs. Michigan
Denver vs. Boston University

Northeast Regional:
Air Force vs. Boston College
Miami vs. Union

East Regional:
Cornell vs. Massachusetts-Lowell
Michigan State vs. Ferris State

Our first concern is avoiding intra-conference matchups. We have North Dakota vs. Minnesota-Duluth and also Michigan State vs. Ferris State.

Let’s take care of our WCHA-WCHA matchup first.

So let’s swap North Dakota with Merrimack.

Now, we take care of Michigan State vs. Ferris State. Usually we will swap the lower seeds. But in this case, why can’t we bring Boston University back out east and Ferris State out west? Makes sense to me. So let’s swap BU with Ferris State.

We now have:

West Regional:
Merrimack vs. Minnesota-Duluth
Maine vs. Minnesota

Midwest Regional:
North Dakota vs. Michigan
Denver vs. Ferris State

Northeast Regional:
Air Force vs. Boston College
Miami vs. Union

East Regional:
Cornell vs. Massachusetts-Lowell
Michigan State vs. Boston University

I honestly like what I see here, but I think that I would like to make one more change: swapping Miami and Maine. They’re tied at 9 in the PairWise, so it’s not a big stretch to make.

West Regional:
Merrimack vs. Minnesota-Duluth
Miami vs. Minnesota

Midwest Regional:
North Dakota vs. Michigan
Denver vs. Ferris State

Northeast Regional:
Air Force vs. Boston College
Maine vs. Union

East Regional:
Cornell vs. Massachusetts-Lowell
Michigan State vs. Boston University

I like that a lot better.

I am done.

See you here next week for the next Bracketology.

Here’s a summary of everything that we have covered.

This week’s brackets

St. Paul
15 Merrimack vs. 4 Minnesota-Duluth
9 Miami vs. 7 Minnesota

Green Bay
13 North Dakota vs. 2 Michigan
11 Denver vs. 5 Ferris State

Bridgeport
14 Cornell vs. 3 Massachusetts-Lowell
12 Michigan State vs. 6 Boston University

Worcester
16 Air Force vs. 1 Boston College
10 Maine vs. 8 Union

Conference breakdowns

HEA — 5
CCHA — 4
WCHA — 4
ECAC — 2
AHA — 1

On the move

In: Cornell
Out: Northern Michigan

Attendance woes?

I like it!

Last week’s brackets

St. Paul
16 Air Force vs. 1 Minnesota-Duluth
11 Michigan State vs. 7 Minnesota

Green Bay
14 North Dakota vs. 3 Michigan
10 Maine vs. 8 Miami

Bridgeport
15 Merrimack vs. 4 Ferris State
12 Northern Michigan vs. 5 Boston University

Worcester
13 Denver vs. 2 Boston College
9 Union vs. 6 Massachusetts-Lowell

Tidbits

See you in the Fall: Here are the teams that have concluded their seasons, the 13 teams eliminated from the NCAA tournament.

AHA: American International, Army, Canisius, Sacred Heart
CCHA: Alaska, Ohio State
Independent: Alabama-Huntsville
ECAC: Brown, Clarkson, Princeton, St. Lawrence
Hockey East: Northeastern, Vermont

Northern Michigan: Northern Michigan is sitting, hoping and waiting. Losing in the first round of the CCHA tournament has the Wildcats rooting for certain teams to falter. Basically, if you’re hoping that the Wildcats get in, you’re looking for everyone below you to lose, and some teams ahead of you to lose, too. In this case, if you’re a Wildcats fan, you are rooting hard for Maine to beat Merrimack, Dartmouth to beat Cornell, Bemidji State to beat North Dakota and Miami to sweep Michigan State.

A lot of teams to root for this weekend, Wildcats fans.

220 COMMENTS

      • this bracket is a joke.

        bracket integrity should be more important than attendance.

        Better idea is to have the regionals at the top seed’s home arena.  It’s not like it takes very long to sell these tiockets to the home school’s fans!

        At any rate, the bracket should be as such:
        #1 vs #16
        #2 vs #15
        #3 vs #14
        #4 vs #13
        …..
        #8 vs #9

          • I would prefer intra conference matchups to screwing up bracket integrity.

            #2 Michigan should be playing the #15 seed, not the #13 seed.  I have no problem with making small changes to avoid dthe intra-conference matchups, but make the #2 seed play #14 or #16 (one seed away from #15).  Get what I mean?

          • In 2003, overall #1 seed Cornell had to play #14 Minnesota State-Mankato in the first round instead of either the #15/#16 CHA or MAAC tournament champions, and I remember being offended and worried, but we did just fine – beat Mankato 5-2, then beat BC 2-1 (2OT) to get to the Frozen Four.  Complain all you want about not being able to face the patsies du jour, but if you’ll recall, it didn’t do Minnesota much good to draw Holy Cross in 2006, and Notre Dame got absolutely destroyed by Bemidji State in 2009.

            Either you’re good enough to win four games in a row no matter who your opponent, and you deserve to win the national championship, or you’re not, and you don’t.  Bitching about how you’re playing a fairly good team instead of a supposedly mediocre one just makes you look like a whiner.

          • Your line of reasoning is absolutely refreshing, Master Jeffrey. Good luck to your team ( unless they play my team )

          • who bitching???  I’m stating my opinion just like you.

            Whiner?  oh really. 

            All I’m saying is that the hockey tourney should be run like the basketball tourney.  Get seeded and play in a regional regardless of these attendance issues.

          • I don’t disagree with you in principle, but there’s a vast difference between the level of casual interest in college basketball and that in college hockey.  The NCAA hockey regionals rarely sell out, and when they do it’s usually because there’s a virtual home team, like Wisconsin in 2006 or potentially Minnesota this year.  If you don’t make attendance a consideration at all, you’ll likely end up with vast swaths of unsold seats, and that’s not good for anyone.  So making the #2 team play the #13, for instance, is a small price to pay to A) avoid intraconference first-round matchups, and B) put asses in the seats.

            That having been said, the selection process for the basketball tourney is also quite different.  Is there any blogger like Jayson Moy in the college basketball world who’s been able to correctly pick the field before the NCAA releases it every single year?  The hockey selection process is as objective as it gets; basketball selection is highly subjective, and the seedings even more so.  It’s really apples and oranges.

            You’re right, though, “bitching” and “whiner” were uncalled for, and not my usual M.O.  I welcome and encourage thoughtful discussion, and I stepped over a line I usually expect others not to step over.

      • this bracket is a joke.

        bracket integrity should be more important than attendance.

        Better idea is to have the regionals at the top seed’s home arena.  It’s not like it takes very long to sell these tiockets to the home school’s fans!

        At any rate, the bracket should be as such:
        #1 vs #16
        #2 vs #15
        #3 vs #14
        #4 vs #13
        …..
        #8 vs #9

          • I would prefer intra conference matchups to screwing up bracket integrity.

            #2 Michigan should be playing the #15 seed, not the #13 seed.  I have no problem with making small changes to avoid dthe intra-conference matchups, but make the #2 seed play #14 or #16 (one seed away from #15).  Get what I mean?

          • In 2003, overall #1 seed Cornell had to play #14 Minnesota State-Mankato in the first round instead of either the #15/#16 CHA or MAAC tournament champions, and I remember being offended and worried, but we did just fine – beat Mankato 5-2, then beat BC 2-1 (2OT) to get to the Frozen Four.  Complain all you want about not being able to face the patsies du jour, but if you’ll recall, it didn’t do Minnesota much good to draw Holy Cross in 2006, and Notre Dame got absolutely destroyed by Bemidji State in 2009.

            Either you’re good enough to win four games in a row no matter who your opponent, and you deserve to win the national championship, or you’re not, and you don’t.  Bitching about how you’re playing a fairly good team instead of a supposedly mediocre one just makes you look like a whiner.

          • Your line of reasoning is absolutely refreshing, Master Jeffrey. Good luck to your team ( unless they play my team )

          •  Thank you, sir, and the same good wishes for your team (and the same conditions on those wishes) as well.  :-)

          • who bitching???  I’m stating my opinion just like you.

            Whiner?  oh really. 

            All I’m saying is that the hockey tourney should be run like the basketball tourney.  Get seeded and play in a regional regardless of these attendance issues.

          • I don’t disagree with you in principle, but there’s a vast difference between the level of casual interest in college basketball and that in college hockey.  The NCAA hockey regionals rarely sell out, and when they do it’s usually because there’s a virtual home team, like Wisconsin in 2006 or potentially Minnesota this year.  If you don’t make attendance a consideration at all, you’ll likely end up with vast swaths of unsold seats, and that’s not good for anyone.  So making the #2 team play the #13, for instance, is a small price to pay to A) avoid intraconference first-round matchups, and B) put asses in the seats.

            That having been said, the selection process for the basketball tourney is also quite different.  Is there any blogger like Jayson Moy in the college basketball world who’s been able to correctly pick the field before the NCAA releases it every single year?  The hockey selection process is as objective as it gets; basketball selection is highly subjective, and the seedings even more so.  It’s really apples and oranges.

            You’re right, though, “bitching” and “whiner” were uncalled for, and not my usual M.O.  I welcome and encourage thoughtful discussion, and I stepped over a line I usually expect others not to step over.

    • you can’t blame the selection committee for wanting to avoid intra-conference match ups in the championship or even the frozen four.  Yes the NoDak fans generally travel well and such, but there are thousands more potential Michigan fans since Michigan is a huge school.  Hockey East matches up mostly the same way if they had an even number of schools as of this.  Of course, its always possible a non-conference leader and a team thats not an at-large consideration could win their conference tourney (go UNH).

    • It’s the same way with Hockey East. The goal of these bracketology discussions is always moving the popular HEA schools (BC, BU, ME, UNH) back east.

      Pretty much people look for an east meets west final

      I’d be more interested in taking the 4 best CCHA, WCHA, and HEA teams and putting them each in bracket, and fill the rest out from there. Then you’d see if teams with high RPIs that only play their own conference all season could beat the other conferences

      • yes, this is what they committe should be doing.  Spread out the top 4 teams from each of the major conferences, rather than sticking them in the same bracket (for attendance reason).  If attendance is such an issue, have the games at the #1 seeds home arena!

    • The Midwest bracket is def. the Bracket of Death… Michigan cannot be happy with this!! Denver and UND are loving this!

    • Right, because 1999 with 3/4 Hockey East Frozen Four was also a scandal of epic magnitude.

      When there are 4-5 teams from one conference, the brackets are the brackets and you play who you play. Unless, of course, you would rather post conspiracies ad hominum.

    •  Well why not just limit the Championship to WCHA teams? There, feel better now. Good. Now go and play with your rubber ducky and be a good boy.

      • Your the same guy that was crying when the WCHA had all 4 teams in the Frozen Four in 2005 saying Hockey East got hosed….

        Lets face it the NCAA does a horrible job of selecting there teams for every NCAA tournament. 

        The basketball tournament is not the best 68 teams, football is a mess and so on.

        The NCAA hockey tourny needs to select the top 16 teams and play a true tournament.  #1 vs #16….#2 vs #15… #3 vs #14 and so on..  You can then select 4 neutral sites before each season, and place the top 4 seeds at these spots. 

        Each year you rotate where each number #1 seed plays…  2013 #1 East Regional… #2 NorthEast Regional… #3 Midwest Regional…#4 West Regional…  2014 #1 West Regional…#2 Midwest Regional… #3 Northeast Regional… #4 East Regional…and so on.

        Just an idea to get rid of all the bias of East teams and West teams..

        • Considering how arbitrary the Pairwise is in picking the field and assigning the seeds I don’t think it really matters much if they start to shuffle the teams a little.  In fact, the only seed that I can say with absolute certainty is correct is 16, the AHA Champ. 

      • My bad. Scrolled up and saw “last week’s bracket”.  So it’s four teams in two brackets.  Oh well.  I stand by my assertion that the WCHA invents a news conspiracy every year.

        Looks more like a conspiracy to get Duluth to the Frozen Four.

    • you can’t blame the selection committee for wanting to avoid intra-conference match ups in the championship or even the frozen four.  Yes the NoDak fans generally travel well and such, but there are thousands more potential Michigan fans since Michigan is a huge school.  Hockey East matches up mostly the same way if they had an even number of schools as of this.  Of course, its always possible a non-conference leader and a team thats not an at-large consideration could win their conference tourney (go UNH).

    • It’s the same way with Hockey East. The goal of these bracketology discussions is always moving the popular HEA schools (BC, BU, ME, UNH) back east.

      Pretty much people look for an east meets west final

      I’d be more interested in taking the 4 best CCHA, WCHA, and HEA teams and putting them each in bracket, and fill the rest out from there. Then you’d see if teams with high RPIs that only play their own conference all season could beat the other conferences

      • yes, this is what they committe should be doing.  Spread out the top 4 teams from each of the major conferences, rather than sticking them in the same bracket (for attendance reason).  If attendance is such an issue, have the games at the #1 seeds home arena!

    • The Midwest bracket is def. the Bracket of Death… Michigan cannot be happy with this!! Denver and UND are loving this!

    • Right, because 1999 with 3/4 Hockey East Frozen Four was also a scandal of epic magnitude.

      When there are 4-5 teams from one conference, the brackets are the brackets and you play who you play. Unless, of course, you would rather post conspiracies ad hominum.

    •  Well why not just limit the Championship to WCHA teams? There, feel better now. Good. Now go and play with your rubber ducky and be a good boy.

      • Your the same guy that was crying when the WCHA had all 4 teams in the Frozen Four in 2005 saying Hockey East got hosed….

        Lets face it the NCAA does a horrible job of selecting there teams for every NCAA tournament. 

        The basketball tournament is not the best 68 teams, football is a mess and so on.

        The NCAA hockey tourny needs to select the top 16 teams and play a true tournament.  #1 vs #16….#2 vs #15… #3 vs #14 and so on..  You can then select 4 neutral sites before each season, and place the top 4 seeds at these spots. 

        Each year you rotate where each number #1 seed plays…  2013 #1 East Regional… #2 NorthEast Regional… #3 Midwest Regional…#4 West Regional…  2014 #1 West Regional…#2 Midwest Regional… #3 Northeast Regional… #4 East Regional…and so on.

        Just an idea to get rid of all the bias of East teams and West teams..

        • Considering how arbitrary the Pairwise is in picking the field and assigning the seeds I don’t think it really matters much if they start to shuffle the teams a little.  In fact, the only seed that I can say with absolute certainty is correct is 16, the AHA Champ. 

      • My bad. Scrolled up and saw “last week’s bracket”.  So it’s four teams in two brackets.  Oh well.  I stand by my assertion that the WCHA invents a news conspiracy every year.

        Looks more like a conspiracy to get Duluth to the Frozen Four.

  1. i agree w moy, i thought it was a pretty straight forward bracket, if not simple. integrity and attendance is good. the MW might seem solid but thats the way the numbers fall, my team is in there.

  2. i agree w moy, i thought it was a pretty straight forward bracket, if not simple. integrity and attendance is good. the MW might seem solid but thats the way the numbers fall, my team is in there.

  3. All the talk about attendance woes has thrown bracket integrity to the curb (oh I know that the seeds are close enough to say have not sacrificed)….but it’s becoming a West versus East guaranteed thing….can’t have another embarrassing moment when the East coast was left out of the final four in 2005……..personally I like the thought of fresh meat (different teams) on the table then they would otherwise not normally play in the regional’s….and please don’t do the travel excuse either….if that was the case they wouldn’t be holding the frozen four in Florida….how many colleges and universities play hockey within 500 hundred miles?

    •  I agree!  I hope Tampa doesn’t turn out to be a joke like Detroit was…  Never again in a football arena!!!!

      • a true college hockey lover would see that bringing the frozen four to Florida is all about the future, I live in California and used to live in Denver.  I cant tell you how much I miss the convenience, price and of course QUALITY of college hockey. If this Frozen Four helps bring college hockey to the sunshine states, I I say its well worth it.

        • The major schools in FL are in the ACC, BIG East, SEC, and other conferences. The chances of a school  program with the word hockey, other than field hockey, do not exist. Boston , I believe, tried to have the Frozen Four played here, but the hockey crazy hotbed of Tampa won out.

        • It wouldn’t be bad if the SW or SE actually had a program, but they don’t, the big game should be played where the students get the opportunity to see the teams…..East coast or to the West, that’s where the attendance is. Nothing better then a packed arena whether it be friendly or hostile as long as they know hockey.

          • exactly!!!!  these games needs to be played in  the vicinity of  the teams in the tournament, not in FLORIDA!  Otherwise, let’s play in Hawaii.

        • NO ONE PLAYS HOCKEY IN FLORIDA!!! They don’t need it and they wont know any of the players or programs besides the few people who moved there.

          • Hey sister, retirees from the northern states with buckets of cash live in FL.  Come back when you understand demographics…

        • Well, if college hockey is really committed to bringing its product to the South, maybe they ought to work on getting UAH into a conference, instead of just throwing the Frozen Four into Florida…

      • Boston College was the #1 seed in the East that year. Boston U was also in that region as the #3 seed.

        The reality that the WCHA won 5 years in a row, coupled with the fact that travel concerns/costs can’t truly be an issue, is what leads people to think that “conspiracies” exist.

    •  I totally agree regarding the travel issue.  If it truly were an issue there would be no frozen four in Florida.  I live in Massachusetts and I travel within (2+ hours) almost every weekend in the northeast to watch different college hockey games, and for us average Joe’s in hockey country we get rewarded for our college hockey loyalty by the NCAA having the Frozen Four as far away as about possible from college hockey country.

    • Who guys are so tiresome with constantly bringing up the 2005 all-WCHA Frozen Four.  It now gives you cover to call everything a conspiracy.  Get over it.  It happened once.  Are you going to be using it as an excuse in 2025?

  4. All the talk about attendance woes has thrown bracket integrity to the curb (oh I know that the seeds are close enough to say have not sacrificed)….but it’s becoming a West versus East guaranteed thing….can’t have another embarrassing moment when the East coast was left out of the final four in 2005……..personally I like the thought of fresh meat (different teams) on the table then they would otherwise not normally play in the regional’s….and please don’t do the travel excuse either….if that was the case they wouldn’t be holding the frozen four in Florida….how many colleges and universities play hockey within 500 hundred miles?

    •  I agree!  I hope Tampa doesn’t turn out to be a joke like Detroit was…  Never again in a football arena!!!!

      • a true college hockey lover would see that bringing the frozen four to Florida is all about the future, I live in California and used to live in Denver.  I cant tell you how much I miss the convenience, price and of course QUALITY of college hockey. If this Frozen Four helps bring college hockey to the sunshine states, I I say its well worth it.

        • The major schools in FL are in the ACC, BIG East, SEC, and other conferences. The chances of a school  program with the word hockey, other than field hockey, do not exist. Boston , I believe, tried to have the Frozen Four played here, but the hockey crazy hotbed of Tampa won out.

        • It wouldn’t be bad if the SW or SE actually had a program, but they don’t, the big game should be played where the students get the opportunity to see the teams…..East coast or to the West, that’s where the attendance is. Nothing better then a packed arena whether it be friendly or hostile as long as they know hockey.

          • exactly!!!!  these games needs to be played in  the vicinity of  the teams in the tournament, not in FLORIDA!  Otherwise, let’s play in Hawaii.

        • NO ONE PLAYS HOCKEY IN FLORIDA!!! They don’t need it and they wont know any of the players or programs besides the few people who moved there.

          • Hey sister, retirees from the northern states with buckets of cash live in FL.  Come back when you understand demographics…

        • Well, if college hockey is really committed to bringing its product to the South, maybe they ought to work on getting UAH into a conference, instead of just throwing the Frozen Four into Florida…

      • Boston College was the #1 seed in the East that year. Boston U was also in that region as the #3 seed.

        The reality that the WCHA won 5 years in a row, coupled with the fact that travel concerns/costs can’t truly be an issue, is what leads people to think that “conspiracies” exist.

    •  I totally agree regarding the travel issue.  If it truly were an issue there would be no frozen four in Florida.  I live in Massachusetts and I travel within (2+ hours) almost every weekend in the northeast to watch different college hockey games, and for us average Joe’s in hockey country we get rewarded for our college hockey loyalty by the NCAA having the Frozen Four as far away as about possible from college hockey country.

    • Who guys are so tiresome with constantly bringing up the 2005 all-WCHA Frozen Four.  It now gives you cover to call everything a conspiracy.  Get over it.  It happened once.  Are you going to be using it as an excuse in 2025?

  5. 2 questions for you all:  1) What is it going to take (if there even is a chance) to keep UND in St. Paul assuming they make the national tourney?  It looks as though the NCAA will go out of its way to keep Duluth and Gofers in the same bracket and close to home although I know UND would bring more attendance to the X than Duluth…  
    2) Does the winner of the St. Paul regional play the winner from Green Bay?  That would make sense but Im just not certian

    • no, it depends on the #1 seeds,  i understand it that the West(#4 duluth) will meet the NE(#1 Boston College)
      wcha 1-reply, that means the “wcha” brackets Are split up

    • und will finish behind UMD/goofs and will be lucky to even make the tourney, so stop complaining.  I think it is funny you think und is entitled to extra privileges.  The NCAA owes und fans nothing.  

      •  Umm…  First of all, I know the NCAA will not hand out “extra privileges” to UND! That should be fairly obvious by now.  Im pretty sure 99% of the readers on here know that.  Second, I wasn’t complaining at all!   Must be a gopher fan cause I can feel the hate coming out of your comments.  Good for U

        • Your argument as stated above is that und deserves to play in St. Paul, because “you know” attendance would be higher if und played there instead of the defending national champions.  I would argue that und should play as far away from north dakota as possible since their fans travel so well and would likely still boost attendance in whatever arena they play.  Therefore, the only basis for und playing in St. Paul (since their record is less impressive) is to make traveling easier for its fans.  And again, the NCAA owes und fans nothing.  

          You also implied that the NCAA is somehow in cahoots with UMD/goofs or against und (probably a manifestation of the whole logo saga) since they “will go out of their way” to keep the MN schools at the X.  Stop playing the victim and be thankful your team turned it around and still has a chance to make the tourney.

          • They always turn it around so no surprise there.  Man, the Fighting Sioux must get under your skin if you continually post on here with that login name. One of them steal your wife or something?

          • ^^^^^^^ Stuff like that is why no one likes Sioux fans, including more than just Gopher fans, I have friends from all over the WCHA schools and they don’t like the Sioux.

          •  We dont want or care to be liked by other fans in the WCHA!  If everybody liked us we would be a school like Alabama Huntsville or a bottom dweller in the WCHA.  Think about it, why do people hate the Red Wings, Yankees, etc…   Why do you think the Yankees always win? Because other people are too dang busy looking at their pinstripes   

          • Really, cause it really doesn’t seem that way. Always saying how they are hated on and other teams are just as bad trying to defend themselves. Also people don’t hate the Yankees because they win, it’s because they have to buy the best team to win.

          •  Oh right, Intimidation has nothing to do with it….  Popular teams like the Cowboys, Yankees, Sox, Red Wings etc…  are always the most hated!  That is all I was saying.  Make sense?

          • Get over yourself.  The arrogance of Sioux fans like you is what turns us normal folk into haters.  Your team has only won two titles in the last 25 years, so stop comparing yourselves to the Yankees.  I respect Sioux hockey, but HATE Sioux hockey fans.  You dishonor the Sioux name.  

          • No one is intimidated by North Dakota…  Heck you can even recruit players from your own state…

            I think its because there not playing North Dakota, its more of a
            Team Canada thing that college hockey teams are intimidated of…..lol

          • Ignorance:  Party of you…  If you don’t think people know where Mac and Blood are when they are on the ice you really know nothing about hockey. And that only mn kids as players crap is dead, bury it, along with all that hardware they won…  What?  You say they didn’t win ANYTHING with only mn kids?  Seems it required a ND kid to bring mn out of the darkness.  7>5

          • Why does that matter?  North Dakota develops players better than any program.  Take a look at some of the alumni…Toews, Oshie, Parise ring a bell? because I could keep going….  We never said North Dakota had the greatest high school players in the world we just are the best program.  The fact that high end talent from Minnesota leaves the state to go play for the Sioux says all you need to know

          • People hate the Yankees because of their insufferable fans.  Following your logic I should hate Michigan for having nine titles.  I should hate the Canadiens and the Celtics, too.  But I don’t.

          • …and we are so heartbroken that you feel that way. I’m sorry, can we be friends? I just want you to like me!!!

          • Hey sister, you haven’t been around long enough to have friends at BullDog State, much less all over the WCHA.  As a gofer in dulute you must be so lonely…  It is the haters like you that make Sioux fans enjoy the fall of mn.  But hey, you still have the Lynx…

          •  Umm…  Once again, I never said they DESERVE to play in St. Paul!  I do KNOW that they would bring in higher numbers than Duluth…  Maybe you can prove me wrong if the Sioux aren’t there and you sell out the entire weekend.  More props to you and for College Hockey sake I hope you are right.  I am just bias and would rather they play here because I live in the cities and would rather not have to drive to Green Bay if I dont have to..and I was mearly just asking what it would take for that to happen and it has been figured out so thanks for your thoughtful comments and goodbye….

          • Sorry Fan Man.  I guess I misinterpreted your question.  The whole “NCAA going out of its way” portion was the reason I initially responded, and I thought it was common knowledge that the Bulldogs and Gophers were too far ahead of the Sioux in the pairwise.  Good luck to your Sioux in the playoffs.  

          • He didn’t imply it, YOU said it.  He was wondering what it would take for UND to play in the cities, that’s it.

      • Not sure why the Sioux will be lucky to make the tourney.  They are playing great hockey and are one of the hottest teams in the country.  Toast to a 3-peat for the defending Broadmoor trophy recipients.  Hater.

    • 1) It’s not the NCAA going out of their way to keep Minnesota and UMD in St. Paul.  As a host, Minnesota has to play in St. Paul, and as long as UMD is a number 1 seed, they will get put in St. Paul (unless Mich AND Ferris/another Western team are higher overall seeds) because another rule is that #1’s are placed closest to home.  It’s not a conspiracy against UND.  Although they may bring more fans than Duluth, with the Bulldogs and Gophers in the regional, attendance would not be an issue at all in my opinion.    

      2) Like a poster below, I think the brackets are set up according to overall seed, so regional with #1 overall plays regional with #4 overall in the Frozen Four. 

      Also, good luck this weekend.  Hoping to see both of our teams at the Final Five next weekend…

      •  Thanks that does make more sense.   I was forgetting that Duluth is ranked top 4 in the pairwise and ranked higher than the gophers…  So in order for UND to even have a chance at getting a regional in St. Paul the Dogs would have to fall out of the top four and even then there would be no guarantee, I know.  Higher seeded teams do and should be placed closer to home.   Good luck to you as well this weekend although I dont think you will need it

        •  I think the “host” institution needs to go away. They should choose regional sites, and then start from number one, put them as close to their home as possible and then do the same for number 2 and so on down the line. Would attendance really be that bad?

  6. 2 questions for you all:  1) What is it going to take (if there even is a chance) to keep UND in St. Paul assuming they make the national tourney?  It looks as though the NCAA will go out of its way to keep Duluth and Gofers in the same bracket and close to home although I know UND would bring more attendance to the X than Duluth…  
    2) Does the winner of the St. Paul regional play the winner from Green Bay?  That would make sense but Im just not certian

    • no, it depends on the #1 seeds,  i understand it that the West(#4 duluth) will meet the NE(#1 Boston College)
      wcha 1-reply, that means the “wcha” brackets Are split up

    • und will finish behind UMD/goofs and will be lucky to even make the tourney, so stop complaining.  I think it is funny you think und is entitled to extra privileges.  The NCAA owes und fans nothing.  

      •  Umm…  First of all, I know the NCAA will not hand out “extra privileges” to UND! That should be fairly obvious by now.  Im pretty sure 99% of the readers on here know that.  Second, I wasn’t complaining at all!   Must be a gopher fan cause I can feel the hate coming out of your comments.  Good for U

        • Your argument as stated above is that und deserves to play in St. Paul, because “you know” attendance would be higher if und played there instead of the defending national champions.  I would argue that und should play as far away from north dakota as possible since their fans travel so well and would likely still boost attendance in whatever arena they play.  Therefore, the only basis for und playing in St. Paul (since their record is less impressive) is to make traveling easier for its fans.  And again, the NCAA owes und fans nothing.  

          You also implied that the NCAA is somehow in cahoots with UMD/goofs or against und (probably a manifestation of the whole logo saga) since they “will go out of their way” to keep the MN schools at the X.  Stop playing the victim and be thankful your team turned it around and still has a chance to make the tourney.

          • They always turn it around so no surprise there.  Man, the Fighting Sioux must get under your skin if you continually post on here with that login name. One of them steal your wife or something?

          • ^^^^^^^ Stuff like that is why no one likes Sioux fans, including more than just Gopher fans, I have friends from all over the WCHA schools and they don’t like the Sioux.

          •  We dont want or care to be liked by other fans in the WCHA!  If everybody liked us we would be a school like Alabama Huntsville or a bottom dweller in the WCHA.  Think about it, why do people hate the Red Wings, Yankees, etc…   Why do you think the Yankees always win? Because other people are too dang busy looking at their pinstripes   

          • Really, cause it really doesn’t seem that way. Always saying how they are hated on and other teams are just as bad trying to defend themselves. Also people don’t hate the Yankees because they win, it’s because they have to buy the best team to win.

          •  Oh right, Intimidation has nothing to do with it….  Popular teams like the Cowboys, Yankees, Sox, Red Wings etc…  are always the most hated!  That is all I was saying.  Make sense?

          • Get over yourself.  The arrogance of Sioux fans like you is what turns us normal folk into haters.  Your team has only won two titles in the last 25 years, so stop comparing yourselves to the Yankees.  I respect Sioux hockey, but HATE Sioux hockey fans.  You dishonor the Sioux name.  

          • No one is intimidated by North Dakota…  Heck you can even recruit players from your own state…

            I think its because there not playing North Dakota, its more of a
            Team Canada thing that college hockey teams are intimidated of…..lol

          • Ignorance:  Party of you…  If you don’t think people know where Mac and Blood are when they are on the ice you really know nothing about hockey. And that only mn kids as players crap is dead, bury it, along with all that hardware they won…  What?  You say they didn’t win ANYTHING with only mn kids?  Seems it required a ND kid to bring mn out of the darkness.  7>5

          • Why does that matter?  North Dakota develops players better than any program.  Take a look at some of the alumni…Toews, Oshie, Parise ring a bell? because I could keep going….  We never said North Dakota had the greatest high school players in the world we just are the best program.  The fact that high end talent from Minnesota leaves the state to go play for the Sioux says all you need to know

          • People hate the Yankees because of their insufferable fans.  Following your logic I should hate Michigan for having nine titles.  I should hate the Canadiens and the Celtics, too.  But I don’t.

          • …and we are so heartbroken that you feel that way. I’m sorry, can we be friends? I just want you to like me!!!

          • Hey sister, you haven’t been around long enough to have friends at BullDog State, much less all over the WCHA.  As a gofer in dulute you must be so lonely…  It is the haters like you that make Sioux fans enjoy the fall of mn.  But hey, you still have the Lynx…

          •  Umm…  Once again, I never said they DESERVE to play in St. Paul!  I do KNOW that they would bring in higher numbers than Duluth…  Maybe you can prove me wrong if the Sioux aren’t there and you sell out the entire weekend.  More props to you and for College Hockey sake I hope you are right.  I am just bias and would rather they play here because I live in the cities and would rather not have to drive to Green Bay if I dont have to..and I was mearly just asking what it would take for that to happen and it has been figured out so thanks for your thoughtful comments and goodbye….

          • Sorry Fan Man.  I guess I misinterpreted your question.  The whole “NCAA going out of its way” portion was the reason I initially responded, and I thought it was common knowledge that the Bulldogs and Gophers were too far ahead of the Sioux in the pairwise.  Good luck to your Sioux in the playoffs.  

          • He didn’t imply it, YOU said it.  He was wondering what it would take for UND to play in the cities, that’s it.

      • Not sure why the Sioux will be lucky to make the tourney.  They are playing great hockey and are one of the hottest teams in the country.  Toast to a 3-peat for the defending Broadmoor trophy recipients.  Hater.

    • 1) It’s not the NCAA going out of their way to keep Minnesota and UMD in St. Paul.  As a host, Minnesota has to play in St. Paul, and as long as UMD is a number 1 seed, they will get put in St. Paul (unless Mich AND Ferris/another Western team are higher overall seeds) because another rule is that #1’s are placed closest to home.  It’s not a conspiracy against UND.  Although they may bring more fans than Duluth, with the Bulldogs and Gophers in the regional, attendance would not be an issue at all in my opinion.    

      2) Like a poster below, I think the brackets are set up according to overall seed, so regional with #1 overall plays regional with #4 overall in the Frozen Four. 

      Also, good luck this weekend.  Hoping to see both of our teams at the Final Five next weekend…

      •  Thanks that does make more sense.   I was forgetting that Duluth is ranked top 4 in the pairwise and ranked higher than the gophers…  So in order for UND to even have a chance at getting a regional in St. Paul the Dogs would have to fall out of the top four and even then there would be no guarantee, I know.  Higher seeded teams do and should be placed closer to home.   Good luck to you as well this weekend although I dont think you will need it

        •  I think the “host” institution needs to go away. They should choose regional sites, and then start from number one, put them as close to their home as possible and then do the same for number 2 and so on down the line. Would attendance really be that bad?

    • UND would have most likely stayed if their first round opponent wasn’t from the WCHA.  They were in St. Paul last week or the week before if I remember correctly.

    • You must be a CCHA fan who envisions a conference not progressing past the first round. It’s like a nightmare ain’t it?

      But seriously, get over it. The #1 and #2 WCHA teams are in the same bracket. You’re not complaining about that. Last week the #1 and #2 HEA teams were paired together.

      Would you prefer swapping one of the CCHA teams with BU? Because that wouldn’t make the region more stacked……….hahahaha

    • You must be a CCHA fan who envisions a conference not progressing past the first round. It’s like a nightmare ain’t it?

      But seriously, get over it. The #1 and #2 WCHA teams are in the same bracket. You’re not complaining about that. Last week the #1 and #2 HEA teams were paired together.

      Would you prefer swapping one of the CCHA teams with BU? Because that wouldn’t make the region more stacked……….hahahaha

  7.  Send Maine out West…as Boston College got sent to St Louis last year, was it? What with the idea of teams the “host” the regionals perennially staying close to home though their stats would have otherwise sent them packing, why try to be kosher?

  8.  Send Maine out West…as Boston College got sent to St Louis last year, was it? What with the idea of teams the “host” the regionals perennially staying close to home though their stats would have otherwise sent them packing, why try to be kosher?

      • Its a nice field.. I think 9 of these teams have the capability of winning the National Championship. The Gophers are a very good team. They won the McNaughton Cup going 20-8 in the WCHA. They’re also 6th in the PWR and 15-6 at home which helps when we will be on home ice all the way until the Frozen Four. So if you think that’s a homer pick then idk…

      • Its a nice field.. I think 9 of these teams have the capability of winning the National Championship. The Gophers are a very good team. They won the McNaughton Cup going 20-8 in the WCHA. They’re also 6th in the PWR and 15-6 at home which helps when we will be on home ice all the way until the Frozen Four. So if you think that’s a homer pick then idk…

  9. why not send at least 1 WCHA team out east? worked well last year for UMD, beat the almighty yale squad and union’s ”unbelievable PP”

      • It has worked for North Dakota 7 different times.. Thats a lot more than all other schools(other than Mich)… So, UND loses to a couple OK ECAC  teams the past few years(2010) .. Who cares…  If they make it our of the 1st round this year that will be Unreal considering they have only 18 roster players and 10 of them are freshman..  So good luck to your Unions and Merrimacks.. The Sioux will beat you 95% of the time.. Thanks for coming out.. C ya

      • At least we make it to the F4 very consistently, what other team besides BC makes it to the F4 as much as we do??? Yeah we don’t win but at least we throw out a competitive team every year. 

        • I don’t think anyone has said you guys didn’t have a consistent and strong program.  But it’s irrelevant here.  Yes, even North Dakota loses sometimes.  And sometimes you guys even lose to an eastern team.  And sometimes that team isn’t an “established power”.  So the assertion that you can send a WCHA team east and pencil them into the Frozen Four is nothing but trash talk.  

    • It’s not like UMD just beat the ECAC schools.  They beat ND and Michigan as well.  I am a Union alum and I am just excited that Union (with no scholarships) has started to really build a program after 2 decades in D1.  Hoping they can get win their first ever ECAC tournament and then an NCAA tournament game for the first time.

      • You speak the truth U’93..

        Everyone forgets UMD ran roughshod over the rest of college hockey last year.  Union played them as tough as any team did, so a first round loss to the eventual NCAA champion leaves you scratching your head..

        Am I arguing that Union was possibly the second best team in the country?  No, I’m arguing that a loss to the eventual champ leaves the losing team thinking about next year.  This is next year and Union is back in the top 10.

        Hats off to UMD, but there’s no shame in being a team that got in the way, whether it was the first round or the finals..

        UT

  10. why not send at least 1 WCHA team out east? worked well last year for UMD, beat the almighty yale squad and union’s ”unbelievable PP”

      • It has worked for North Dakota 7 different times.. Thats a lot more than all other schools(other than Mich)… So, UND loses to a couple OK ECAC  teams the past few years(2010) .. Who cares…  If they make it our of the 1st round this year that will be Unreal considering they have only 18 roster players and 10 of them are freshman..  So good luck to your Unions and Merrimacks.. The Sioux will beat you 95% of the time.. Thanks for coming out.. C ya

      • At least we make it to the F4 very consistently, what other team besides BC makes it to the F4 as much as we do??? Yeah we don’t win but at least we throw out a competitive team every year. 

        • I don’t think anyone has said you guys didn’t have a consistent and strong program.  But it’s irrelevant here.  Yes, even North Dakota loses sometimes.  And sometimes you guys even lose to an eastern team.  And sometimes that team isn’t an “established power”.  So the assertion that you can send a WCHA team east and pencil them into the Frozen Four is nothing but trash talk.  

    • It’s not like UMD just beat the ECAC schools.  They beat ND and Michigan as well.  I am a Union alum and I am just excited that Union (with no scholarships) has started to really build a program after 2 decades in D1.  Hoping they can get win their first ever ECAC tournament and then an NCAA tournament game for the first time.

      • You speak the truth U’93..

        Everyone forgets UMD ran roughshod over the rest of college hockey last year.  Union played them as tough as any team did, so a first round loss to the eventual NCAA champion leaves you scratching your head..

        Am I arguing that Union was possibly the second best team in the country?  No, I’m arguing that a loss to the eventual champ leaves the losing team thinking about next year.  This is next year and Union is back in the top 10.

        Hats off to UMD, but there’s no shame in being a team that got in the way, whether it was the first round or the finals..

        UT

  11. North Dakota and Duluth fans won’t be too happy being placed in St Paul because there will be no tickets left for them because the they will all be taken by Gopher fans!

  12. North Dakota and Duluth fans won’t be too happy being placed in St Paul because there will be no tickets left for them because the they will all be taken by Gopher fans!

  13. Tried to do the brackets today before Moy’s bracket came out.  Was close, however I don’t understand the swap between 13 (UND) and 15 (Merrimack).  Why didn’t he swap 13 with 14 to avoid an interconference matchup  (UMD-UND), (that was what I did).  I’m guessing Mich. would rather have Merrimack than UND.  Is it something to do with attendance at the Mid West by placing UND there and leaving Cornell in the east?

    • I was also wondering that.  I’m guessing UM would rather see merrimack than UND…and I would rather not play UM first.

  14. Tried to do the brackets today before Moy’s bracket came out.  Was close, however I don’t understand the swap between 13 (UND) and 15 (Merrimack).  Why didn’t he swap 13 with 14 to avoid an interconference matchup  (UMD-UND), (that was what I did).  I’m guessing Mich. would rather have Merrimack than UND.  Is it something to do with attendance at the Mid West by placing UND there and leaving Cornell in the east?

    • I was also wondering that.  I’m guessing UM would rather see merrimack than UND…and I would rather not play UM first.

  15. Should be limited to the top two teams from each conference, period.   Conferences can assign that however they like, best reg season record and play off champ, or what ever.  Then each is placed into an opposing pool.  A and B.  Teams in each pool would play each other and the teams on each side with best records play for #1 and teams with second best play for 3 and 4.
    This pairwise bulldunk is what lead the disgusting mess of college football.  Hockey can not allow that.

  16. Should be limited to the top two teams from each conference, period.   Conferences can assign that however they like, best reg season record and play off champ, or what ever.  Then each is placed into an opposing pool.  A and B.  Teams in each pool would play each other and the teams on each side with best records play for #1 and teams with second best play for 3 and 4.
    This pairwise bulldunk is what lead the disgusting mess of college football.  Hockey can not allow that.

  17. How hard would it be to put 1 team from each conference that has 4+ teams that make the tourney into a different regional. Then the Committee can worry about attendance! I mean come on! Only 1 Western team on the Eastern side of the bracket and only 1 Eastern team on the Western side?! The Committee must be trying to help the NC$$ make up for all of the money they aren’t going to make at the Melted Four by having every team as close to their home school as possible so they can attract more attendance. But by doing so the Committee would have thrown bracket integrity out of the window (or at least Jason Moy has). I just really hope this doesn’t happen on selection Sunday.

  18. How hard would it be to put 1 team from each conference that has 4+ teams that make the tourney into a different regional. Then the Committee can worry about attendance! I mean come on! Only 1 Western team on the Eastern side of the bracket and only 1 Eastern team on the Western side?! The Committee must be trying to help the NC$$ make up for all of the money they aren’t going to make at the Melted Four by having every team as close to their home school as possible so they can attract more attendance. But by doing so the Committee would have thrown bracket integrity out of the window (or at least Jason Moy has). I just really hope this doesn’t happen on selection Sunday.

  19. Maine (17-5-1) is the only team in the nation that has a better mark
    than UND since Thanksgiving, which is remarkable considering that UND
    has played 17 consecutive games without a healthy scratch — and will do
    so the rest of the season.   Just thought haters should beware

  20. Maine (17-5-1) is the only team in the nation that has a better mark
    than UND since Thanksgiving, which is remarkable considering that UND
    has played 17 consecutive games without a healthy scratch — and will do
    so the rest of the season.   Just thought haters should beware

  21. I dont like how there are two #1 seeds from the same conference!!!!That should be changed. As a college hockey lover i love the whole Umass Lowell cinderella story. There fan base is great and they have had a handful of sold out games, but do i think they deserve a #1 seed,No.That team has lost in Vermont,UNH,Northeastern, and Providence.They definately deserve a spot in the tourney with there wins against BU and BC.

  22. I dont like how there are two #1 seeds from the same conference!!!!That should be changed. As a college hockey lover i love the whole Umass Lowell cinderella story. There fan base is great and they have had a handful of sold out games, but do i think they deserve a #1 seed,No.That team has lost in Vermont,UNH,Northeastern, and Providence.They definately deserve a spot in the tourney with there wins against BU and BC.

  23. Does nobody besides me think it’s ridiculous to switch North Dakota with Merrimack as opposed to switching them with Cornell? I thought the established goal is to keep bracket integrity as much as possible. Why would you switch a 15 with a 13, as opposed to switching a 15 with a 14? Just to keep teams in the West out West and teams from the East out East? The NCAA doesn’t mind making people travel. Switch NoDak with Cornell and the brackets are good. Attendance would still be completely fine in all regionals. 

    • I agree, that is what I stated on a previous post.  I wanted some rationale behind Moy’s swap with Merrimack (15) and UND (13).  The bracket maintains more integrity swapping 13 with (14) Cornell to avoid an interconference matchup.  Not sure where he pulled the 13 with 15 swap from.  Not sure if you need the Maine/Miami swap either.  UND would rather have Lowell and Mich. would rather have Merrimack.  Doesn’t matter however, this is gonna look quite different in two weeks.  We can question the rationale two more times.  

  24. Does nobody besides me think it’s ridiculous to switch North Dakota with Merrimack as opposed to switching them with Cornell? I thought the established goal is to keep bracket integrity as much as possible. Why would you switch a 15 with a 13, as opposed to switching a 15 with a 14? Just to keep teams in the West out West and teams from the East out East? The NCAA doesn’t mind making people travel. Switch NoDak with Cornell and the brackets are good. Attendance would still be completely fine in all regionals. 

    • I agree, that is what I stated on a previous post.  I wanted some rationale behind Moy’s swap with Merrimack (15) and UND (13).  The bracket maintains more integrity swapping 13 with (14) Cornell to avoid an interconference matchup.  Not sure where he pulled the 13 with 15 swap from.  Not sure if you need the Maine/Miami swap either.  UND would rather have Lowell and Mich. would rather have Merrimack.  Doesn’t matter however, this is gonna look quite different in two weeks.  We can question the rationale two more times.  

  25. I agree with the general theme of this thread that swapping out teams for attendance is OK – but please only if the seeds area within (1) position.

    A new thought would be that any of the bottom feeders that weren’t ranked high enough to make the tourney, but got in since they won their tourney (air force) *cough* – these teams should be plugged into the bracket at the end of the regular seeding and shouldn’t be moved around or impact the remaining highly-ranked teams. 

    I get the value of having all the conferences included, but maybe you just manage these non-ranked tourney winning teams as “tier 2” squads.  They are happy to just be there anyway.

    ps.  Who’s drinking the kool-aid with me..?   Union = Frozen Four!!

    UT

  26. I agree with the general theme of this thread that swapping out teams for attendance is OK – but please only if the seeds area within (1) position.

    A new thought would be that any of the bottom feeders that weren’t ranked high enough to make the tourney, but got in since they won their tourney (air force) *cough* – these teams should be plugged into the bracket at the end of the regular seeding and shouldn’t be moved around or impact the remaining highly-ranked teams. 

    I get the value of having all the conferences included, but maybe you just manage these non-ranked tourney winning teams as “tier 2” squads.  They are happy to just be there anyway.

    ps.  Who’s drinking the kool-aid with me..?   Union = Frozen Four!!

    UT

  27. Two problems here. You punnish #1 seed Duluth by sending them to St Paul to face Minnesota in their backyard. And you need to sell tickets in Green Bay. Send Duluth to Green Bay, it’s only  50 miles further.  You solve both problems, you sell tickets and give #1 seed home ice advantage!

  28. Two problems here. You punnish #1 seed Duluth by sending them to St Paul to face Minnesota in their backyard. And you need to sell tickets in Green Bay. Send Duluth to Green Bay, it’s only  50 miles further.  You solve both problems, you sell tickets and give #1 seed home ice advantage!

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