A reaction to the committee’s bracketing decisions for the NCAA tournament

A couple quick thoughts after seeing how the NCAA Division I men’s ice hockey committee set the brackets for the 2015 tournament:

My two main points from the final Bracketology we posted early Sunday went the opposite of what I thought.

• The committee did move Providence back to Providence, despite what I thought. This must have been one of the prevailing thoughts in moving them to Providence. It seemed as if they decided that Providence should be in Providence, and the lowest remaining seed would play North Dakota, which in this case is Quinnipiac. And by default, Yale plays Boston University.

• The committee did separate BU and Boston College. I thought it would not. But I still am not quite sure about why Minnesota and Harvard were not swapped. Was it bracket integrity? An interesting move there.

The rest falls into line pretty easily after that.

Our Jim Connelly talked to members of the committee and has a reaction piece here.

54 COMMENTS

  1. I have faith in Lowell to pull themselves together but I don’t have faith in Boyle. His numbers aren’t there and they are finally catching up to him. I don’t seeing as finishing as strong if we had used one of the other goalies.

  2. I have faith in Lowell to pull themselves together but I don’t have faith in Boyle. His numbers aren’t there and they are finally catching up to him. I don’t seeing as finishing as strong if we had used one of the other goalies.

  3. Dave – don’t you think it’s about time for NU to win the Beanpot in double OT, especially against an excellent BU team? With both teams playing 3 games in 4 nights, it may come down to who is better prepared. NU’s Clay Witt can be a difference maker on Monday night.

  4. Dave – don’t you think it’s about time for NU to win the Beanpot in double OT, especially against an excellent BU team? With both teams playing 3 games in 4 nights, it may come down to who is better prepared. NU’s Clay Witt can be a difference maker on Monday night.

  5. Jim. What do u and your college hockey writer colleagues think about having a play in game for conference champs that don’t rank in the top 16 of the pairwise rather than an automatic playoff spot, Wth a one game play-in spot a 16 ranked pair wise team plays a lower ranked team that’s a conference winner. Both participate in playoffs and all conferences get representation just not automatic first round play. For example robert Morris would play UML for the final spot in 16 team first round selection If seas on ended today.
    Basketball has such play in games and would get more colleges involved in playoffs.
    thanks.
    Terry s.

  6. Jim. What do u and your college hockey writer colleagues think about having a play in game for conference champs that don’t rank in the top 16 of the pairwise rather than an automatic playoff spot, Wth a one game play-in spot a 16 ranked pair wise team plays a lower ranked team that’s a conference winner. Both participate in playoffs and all conferences get representation just not automatic first round play. For example robert Morris would play UML for the final spot in 16 team first round selection If seas on ended today.
    Basketball has such play in games and would get more colleges involved in playoffs.
    thanks.
    Terry s.

    • I asked Jim Connelly that same question about HE being SEC of hockey. Go to his blog with NCHC posing problems for committee. He never responded to my question.

        • For Regionals they have to band them 1-4, 5-8,-9-12, 13-16. That way the committee can send teams wherever they want, according to what band their in.

          • still even if the move some teams. they still should rate them 1-16. on a d3 note I wonder why they don’t have 16 teams?

          • Umm, they do. 1-4 are the top four ranked teams, 5-8 the next four ranked teams, and so on. Not sure why this is an issue with you.

    • I asked Jim Connelly that same question about HE being SEC of hockey. Go to his blog with NCHC posing problems for committee. He never responded to my question.

        • For Regionals they have to band them 1-4, 5-8,-9-12, 13-16. That way the committee can send teams wherever they want, according to what band their in.

          • still even if the move some teams. they still should rate them 1-16. on a d3 note I wonder why they don’t have 16 teams?

          • Umm, they do. 1-4 are the top four ranked teams, 5-8 the next four ranked teams, and so on. Not sure why this is an issue with you.

  7. You want to believe that there is not conference favoritism going on. But then Qunnipiac and Yale get passed over for a game closer to home against a lower seed in favor of a Providence team that didn’t even play in the final weekend of its conference tournament and is the lowest ranked non-AHA team in the tourney. It’s pretty egregious.

    • The standard response from the committee would be for attendance reasons. But most followers of college hockey know that is a weak reason.

      • Agreed…it’s just hypocritical. If it were all about attendance, why prohibit first-round intraconference matchups, why didn’t the Minn-UMD and Harvard-UNO matchups get swapped, and why routinely ship teams cross-country? Too many competing interests leads to all three ECAC teams either getting shipped, playing a higher seed than their ranking calls for or – in the case of Qunnipiac – both.

    • I love the PC hate. You can’t just dismiss a team that loses an OT game 3 when they had a very solid year beating BC, BU and tying at N DAK. They finished 2nd in a very good conference after all.

      • No hate for PC here. Quite the opposite, in fact. They well deserved to make the tourney, and because they are a good team who will be facing a low #1 at home, they are very good upset candidate. And that is precisely the point. They shouldn’t be set up as well as they are as a low 4 seed. They should be facing NoDak in NoDak and because they ARE a tourney caliber team with good wins in their resume, getting some legit looks even for that upset. Unfortunately, no one is going to be surprised now if they win this game, and they’ll be getting less credit for it than they deserve because the selection committee unfairly advantaged them.

  8. You want to believe that there is not conference favoritism going on. But then Qunnipiac and Yale get passed over for a game closer to home against a lower seed in favor of a Providence team that didn’t even play in the final weekend of its conference tournament and is the lowest ranked non-AHA team in the tourney. It’s pretty egregious.

    • The standard response from the committee would be for attendance reasons. But most followers of college hockey know that is a weak reason.

      • Agreed…it’s just hypocritical. If it were all about attendance, why prohibit first-round intraconference matchups, why didn’t the Minn-UMD and Harvard-UNO matchups get swapped, and why routinely ship teams cross-country? Too many competing interests leads to all three ECAC teams either getting shipped, playing a higher seed than their ranking calls for or – in the case of Qunnipiac – both.

    • I love the PC hate. You can’t just dismiss a team that loses an OT game 3 when they had a very solid year beating BC, BU and tying at N DAK. They finished 2nd in a very good conference after all.

      • No hate for PC here. Quite the opposite, in fact. They well deserved to make the tourney, and because they are a good team who will be facing a low #1 at home, they are very good upset candidate. And that is precisely the point. They shouldn’t be set up as well as they are as a low 4 seed. They should be facing NoDak in NoDak and because they ARE a tourney caliber team with good wins in their resume, getting some legit looks even for that upset. Unfortunately, no one is going to be surprised now if they win this game, and they’ll be getting less credit for it than they deserve because the selection committee unfairly advantaged them.

  9. Interesting to note that if the KRACH was used, Bowling Green and Lowell would have made it while Yale and Providence would not. Irrelevant, but interesting none the less.

  10. Interesting to note that if the KRACH was used, Bowling Green and Lowell would have made it while Yale and Providence would not. Irrelevant, but interesting none the less.

  11. While Moy’s picks weren’t perfect, no one’s are, but Moy’s seem better than what panned out today, at least in the NE and E regionals.
    According to what I can find online, the first games of the NE regionals will be played on Friday at 2 (!) and 5:30EST. Let’s hope the Hockey East fans who traveled to the Garden on last Friday (and missed work to do so) have understanding bosses if they’re heading to ManchVegas…more missed workday, and less than copacetic unless you’re just coming up 93 North. I don’t recall the games being scheduled that early, ever.
    And as epic as the dueling MN battle will be, for attendance purposes–if that even matters anymore–a BU/BC battle would have drawn more bodies…as would the placement of UML, re. Brian’s post. I predict lots of empty seats in Manchester, and can’t blame the fans from out west who are budgeting time and money for the Frozen Four. Seems like even the local fans who want to travel to see live hockey are slowly being pushed out of the experience in favor of expanded TV coverage.

    • Did I miss something or was PC not already IN when the HEA tourney began. Lowell had to play themselves in and didn’t quite get there! Why is PC being IN a problem?

    • It almost smells like the committee tried to spite Moy’s perfect track record of logical selections. Seems to be some inconsistent and erratic placements, and the same swaps that keep coming up make sense to me. I think a lot of fans commenting here know the criteria better than the actual committee, and that’s not a joke. Also, how is the selection commitee selected? Two current/active head coaches? Seems strange

      • For the Record, Moy was never perfect when it comes to picking the actual brackets, he’s been wrong many times before. What he has been perfect at is picking the NCAA field, which basically means he can read the top 16 of the pairwise. It just gets worded in his bio like that’s something we should be impressed by.

        • If that’s the case then everyone would be perfect at picking the field. After Saturday’s games, it was clear cut who was in and who was out.

          • Yes, that’s exactly my point. Moy’s record of perfection is something that everyone can do. He and USCHO just a nice job of using it as a marketing tool, that does fool some people into incorrectly thinking that Moy has been perfect with his bracket predictions.

  12. While Moy’s picks weren’t perfect, no one’s are, but Moy’s seem better than what panned out today, at least in the NE and E regionals.
    According to what I can find online, the first games of the NE regionals will be played on Friday at 2 (!) and 5:30EST. Let’s hope the Hockey East fans who traveled to the Garden on last Friday (and missed work to do so) have understanding bosses if they’re heading to ManchVegas…more missed workday, and less than copacetic unless you’re just coming up 93 North. I don’t recall the games being scheduled that early, ever.
    And as epic as the dueling MN battle will be, for attendance purposes–if that even matters anymore–a BU/BC battle would have drawn more bodies…as would the placement of UML, re. Brian’s post. I predict lots of empty seats in Manchester, and can’t blame the fans from out west who are budgeting time and money for the Frozen Four. Seems like even the local fans who want to travel to see live hockey are slowly being pushed out of the experience in favor of expanded TV coverage.

    • Did I miss something or was PC not already IN when the HEA tourney began. Lowell had to play themselves in and didn’t quite get there! Why is PC being IN a problem?

    • It almost smells like the committee tried to spite Moy’s perfect track record of logical selections. Seems to be some inconsistent and erratic placements, and the same swaps that keep coming up make sense to me. I think a lot of fans commenting here know the criteria better than the actual committee, and that’s not a joke. Also, how is the selection commitee selected? Two current/active head coaches? Seems strange

      • For the Record, Moy was never perfect when it comes to picking the actual brackets, he’s been wrong many times before. What he has been perfect at is picking the NCAA field, which basically means he can read the top 16 of the pairwise. It just gets worded in his bio like that’s something we should be impressed by.

        • If that’s the case then everyone would be perfect at picking the field. After Saturday’s games, it was clear cut who was in and who was out.

          • Yes, that’s exactly my point. Moy’s record of perfection is something that everyone can do. He and USCHO just a nice job of using it as a marketing tool, that does fool some people into incorrectly thinking that Moy has been perfect with his bracket predictions.

  13. Jason, your picks made more sense than the committee’s final picks. Many people who read your column appreciate your hard work and spot on analysis. Thank you.

  14. Jason, your picks made more sense than the committee’s final picks. Many people who read your column appreciate your hard work and spot on analysis. Thank you.

  15. Thank you BU and the team that beat Colgate. 2 seasons ago it took the help of Notre Dame to get Eli in the dance. Can history be realigned by the hockey Gods? Dear Hockey Gods…we thank you for this opportunity, we humbly ask that we may have one more chance at the ugly redish colored team in the National Championship…thanks…and oh..for GOD, for country, and for Yale!

  16. Thank you BU and the team that beat Colgate. 2 seasons ago it took the help of Notre Dame to get Eli in the dance. Can history be realigned by the hockey Gods? Dear Hockey Gods…we thank you for this opportunity, we humbly ask that we may have one more chance at the ugly redish colored team in the National Championship…thanks…and oh..for GOD, for country, and for Yale!

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