Seven weeks out, and it’s all rather straightforward

Jayson Moy theorizes that moving a Boston College-Yale first-round game from St. Paul to Worcester, and bringing Omaha and Notre Dame west, would help attendance (photo: Melissa Wade).

It’s time once again to do what we like to call Bracketology, college hockey style. It’s our weekly look at how I believe the NCAA tournament will wind up come selection time.

It’s a look into what are the possible thought processes behind selecting and seeding the NCAA tournament teams.

We’ll keep bringing you a new one every week until we make our final picks before the field is announced on March 20.

Those of you that are veterans of the college hockey scene know that it is all about the PairWise Rankings. This is USCHO’s numerical approach that simulates the way the NCAA Division I men’s ice hockey committee chooses the teams that make the NCAA tournament.

Since USCHO began the PairWise Rankings, we have correctly identified all of the teams that have been selected to the NCAA tournament.

I am the only prognosticator to have correctly predicted the exact brackets for the NCAA tournament in four of the last five years, meaning that I have predicted how the committee thought when putting together the brackets.

This is not a be-all, end-all analysis of the bracket. I am trying to give you, the reader, an idea of what the committee might be thinking and not exactly what they are thinking.

If you want to skip the inner workings and get to the results of the analysis, then click here.

Here are the facts:

• Sixteen teams are selected to participate in the national tournament.

• There are four regional sites (East — Albany, N.Y.; Northeast — Worcester, Mass.; Midwest — Cincinnati; West — St. Paul, Minn.).

• A host institution that is invited to the tournament plays in the regional for which it is the host and cannot be moved. There are four host institutions this year: Union in Albany, Holy Cross in Worcester, Miami in Cincinnati and Minnesota in St. Paul.

• Seedings will not be switched. To avoid undesirable first-round matchups, including intraconference games (see below), teams will be moved among regionals, not reseeded.

Here are the NCAA’s guidelines on the matter, from the 2016 pre-championship manual:

In setting up the tournament, the committee begins with a list of priorities to ensure a successful tournament on all fronts, including competitive equity, financial success and the likelihood of a playoff-type atmosphere at each regional site. For this model, the following is a basic set of priorities:

1. Once the six automatic qualifiers and 10 at-large teams are selected, the next step is to develop four groups from the committee’s rankings of 1-16. The top four teams are No. 1 seeds and will be placed in the bracket so that if all four teams advance to the Men’s Frozen Four, the No. 1 seed will play the No. 4 seed and the No. 2 seed will play the No. 3 seed in the semifinals. The next four are targeted as No. 2 seeds. The next four are No. 3 seeds and the last four are No. 4 seeds.

2. Step two is to place the home teams. Host institutions that qualify will be placed at home.

3. Step three is to fill in the bracket so that first-round conference matchups are avoided, unless it corrupts the integrity of the bracket. If five or more teams from one conference are selected to the championship, then the integrity of the bracket will be protected (i.e., maintaining the pairing process according to seed will take priority over avoidance of first-round conference matchups). To complete each regional, the committee assigns one team from each of the remaining seeded groups so there is a No. 1, No. 2, No. 3 and No. 4 seed at each regional site.

Given these facts, here is the top 16 of the current PairWise Rankings (PWR), and the conference leaders through all games of Jan. 19:

1 Quinnipiac
2 St. Cloud State
3 North Dakota
4 Providence
5 Harvard
6 Michigan
7 Boston College
8 Notre Dame
9 Omaha
10 Yale
11 Boston University
12 Massachusetts-Lowell
13 Denver
14 Cornell
15t Minnesota
15t Penn State
21t Minnesota State
23t Robert Morris

Current conference leaders based on winning percentage:

Atlantic Hockey: Robert Morris
Big Ten: Minnesota
ECAC Hockey: Quinnipiac
Hockey East: Notre Dame
NCHC: North Dakota
WCHA: Minnesota State

Notes

• Bracketology assumes that the season has ended and there are no more games to be played — i.e., the NCAA tournament starts tomorrow.

• Because there are an uneven amount of games played inside each conference, I will be using winning percentage, not points accumulated, to determine the current leader in each conference. This team is my assumed conference tournament champion after applying the tiebreakers.

Step one

From the committee’s report, choose the 16 teams in the tournament.

We break ties in the PWR by looking at the individual comparisons among the tied teams, and add in any current league leaders that are not currently in the top 16. The only teams that are not are Minnesota State and Robert Morris.

From there, we can start looking at the ties and bubbles in a more detailed fashion, but there are none among those in the field.

Therefore, the 16 teams in the tournament, in rank order, are:

1 Quinnipiac
2 St. Cloud State
3 North Dakota
4 Providence
5 Harvard
6 Michigan
7 Boston College
8 Notre Dame
9 Omaha
10 Yale
11 Boston University
12 Massachusetts-Lowell
13 Denver
14 Minnesota
15 Minnesota State
16 Robert Morris

Step two

Now it’s time to assign the seeds.

No. 1 seeds: Quinnipiac, St. Cloud State, North Dakota, Providence

No. 2 seeds: Harvard. Michigan, Boston College, Notre Dame

No. 3 seeds: Omaha, Yale, Boston University, Massachusetts-Lowell

No. 4 seeds: Denver, Minnesota, Minnesota State, Robert Morris

Step three

Place the No. 1 seeds in regionals.

No. 1 Quinnipiac is placed in the Northeast Regional in Worcester.
No. 2 St. Cloud State is placed in the West Regional in St. Paul.
No. 3 North Dakota is placed in the Midwest Regional in Cincinnati.
No. 4 Providence is placed in the East Regional in Albany.

Step four

Now we place the other 12 teams so as to avoid intra-conference matchups if possible.

Begin by filling in each bracket by banding groups. Remember that teams are not assigned to the regional closest to their campus sites by ranking order within the banding (unless you are a host school, in which case you must be assigned to your home regional).

If this is the case, as it was last year, then the committee should seed so that the quarterfinals are seeded such that the four regional championships would be played by No. 1 vs. No. 8, No. 2 vs. No. 7, No. 3 vs. No. 6 and No. 4 vs. No. 5.

So therefore:

No. 2 seeds

No. 8 Notre Dame is placed in No. 1 Quinnipiac’s regional, the Northeast Regional.
No. 7 Boston College is placed in No. 2 St. Cloud State’s regional, the West Regional.
No. 6 Michigan is placed in No. 3 North Dakota’s regional, the Midwest Regional.
No. 5 Harvard is placed in No. 4 Providence’s regional, the East Regional.

No. 3 seeds

Our bracketing system has one regional containing seeds 1, 8, 9, and 16; another with 2, 7, 10 and 15; another with 3, 6, 11 and 14; and another with 4, 5, 12 and 13.

No. 9 Omaha is placed in No. 8 Notre Dame’s regional, the Northeast Regional.
No. 10 Yale is placed in No. 7 Boston College’s regional, the West Regional.
No. 11 Boston University is placed in No. 6 Michigan’s regional, the Midwest Regional.
No. 12 Massachusetts-Lowell is placed in No. 5 Harvard’s regional, the East Regional.

No. 4 seeds

One more time, taking No. 16 vs. No. 1, No. 15 vs. No. 2, etc.

Since Minnesota is a host institution, we must place Minnesota in the West Regional.

No. 14 Minnesota is sent to No. 2 St. Cloud State’s regional, the West Regional.
No. 16 Robert Morris is sent to No. 1 Quinnipiac’s regional, the Northeast Regional.
No. 15 Minnesota State is sent to No. 3 North Dakota’s regional, the Midwest Regional.
No. 13 Denver is sent to No. 4 Providence’s regional, the East Regional.

The brackets as we have set them up:

East Regional (Albany):
13 Denver vs. 4 Providence
12 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 5 Harvard

Northeast Regional (Worcester):
16 Robert Morris vs. 1 Quinnipiac
9 Omaha vs 8 Notre Dame

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
15 Minnesota State vs. 3 North Dakota
11 Boston University vs. 6 Michigan

West Regional (St. Paul):
14 Minnesota vs. 2 St. Cloud State
10 Yale vs. 7 Boston College

Our first concern is avoiding intraconference matchups. We have none this week.

We now head to our favorite topic — attendance.

Don’t kid yourselves, folks: Attendance is a huge part of where teams go.

How can we make attendance better?

I see at least one thing we can do. We swap the Yale-Boston College game and the Omaha-Notre Dame game to bring those teams closer to their regions.

East Regional (Albany):
13 Denver vs. 4 Providence
12 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 5 Harvard

Northeast Regional (Worcester):
16 Robert Morris vs. 1 Quinnipiac
10 Yale vs. 7 Boston College

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
15 Minnesota State vs. 3 North Dakota
11 Boston University vs. 6 Michigan

West Regional (St. Paul):
14 Minnesota vs. 2 St. Cloud State
9 Omaha vs 8 Notre Dame

Is there anything else we can do? I would love to have both Michigan and Notre Dame in Cincinnati, but that can’t happen because they’re both No. 2 seeds.

So that’s about all we can do for this week.

See you here next week for the next Bracketology.

Here’s a summary of everything that we have covered.

This week’s brackets

East Regional (Albany):
13 Denver vs. 4 Providence
12 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 5 Harvard

Northeast Regional (Worcester):
16 Robert Morris vs. 1 Quinnipiac
10 Yale vs. 7 Boston College

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
15 Minnesota State vs. 3 North Dakota
11 Boston University vs. 6 Michigan

West Regional (St. Paul):
14 Minnesota vs. 2 St. Cloud State
9 Omaha vs 8 Notre Dame

Conference breakdowns

Hockey East — 5
NCHC — 4
ECAC Hockey — 3
Big Ten — 2
WCHA — 1
Atlantic Hockey — 1

On the move

In: Denver, Minnesota

Out: Cornell, Penn State

Attendance woes?

Cincinnati is iffy.

Last week’s brackets

East Regional (Albany):
14 Penn State vs. 4 Providence
9 Boston College vs 8 Cornell

Northeast Regional (Worcester):
16 Holy Cross vs. 1 Quinnipiac
12 Boston University vs. 6 Harvard

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
13 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 3 North Dakota
10 Notre Dame vs. 7 Michigan

West Regional (St. Paul):
15 Minnesota State vs. 2 St. Cloud State
11 Yale vs. 5 Omaha

274 COMMENTS

  1. Love the lead, Brian. Sick of the smug superiority fans of the other leagues shove in our faces all season and even this week. (One non-ECAC fan on the USCHO boards told me, regarding our success this year, “Even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally.” Hey, it’s better than a diet of sour grapes.)

    On another topic… if Quinnipiac wins tonight, does that mean Brown will be the only undefeated team against this year’s national champion? :-)

    • The reason other leagues are smug is because at least they know the Championship game is tomorrow night and not tonight.

      I have defended ECAC Hockey as a Hockey East fan because we know the league can play. But please don’t act like the quality has been close since 85′ to HEA/ WCHA / or even CCHA.

      • I never said that. And I wouldn’t have said that. The resurgence of the ECAC is clearly a recent phenomenon. Just pointing out that it’s time for others to drop the EZAC insults and acknowledge NCAA hockey is no longer the dominion of one league or one conference.

        Besides, I’m old enough to remember watching most of the present Hockey East teams playing in the ECAC alongside us Ivy Leaguers. Good times then, good times now.

      • It’s not simply disrespect to the league – it’s disrespect to the to the teams. If the a league only puts two teams in the tournament on average it doesn’t automatically mean they’re going to be pushovers. Leagues don’t play the games – teams do.

  2. So, to recap, leagues are made of up TEAMS and measuring the strength of a league based on which four teams reach a Frozen Four, National Championship game or winning a Title is NOT a measure of the strength of a league. Those are measures of the strength of teams within college hockey.

    It is a hard thing to put together a championship Division I hockey team. It is hard just to qualify every year. Ask BU, BC and Minnesota-Duluth within the past five years.

    Finally, the only league to knock out ECAC teams from the tournament will be….the ECAC. Union crushed BC before falling to Quinnipiac. ECAC knocked out Minnesota, North Dakota, BC, St Cloud State and Niagara. Only CCHA was directly spared from the ECAC juggernaut.

    Hats off to the ECAC from another BU alum and Hockey East fan. Great work, Brian!

    • Always enjoy your post JC……As a fellow HEA fan and UM alum – You are a true fan. I appreciate that. It will be fun to watch BU/UMaine continue a very underrated rivalry with 2 new coaching staffs. I will always miss Walsh v Parker. They were epic battles and 2 of the best all time. How many times did one coach empty the bench of sticks and “Gatorade” bottles at Bunyon or Benedetto or @ each other. It may have not shown the kids the best sportsmanship but it sure I’d make it fun to watch and made the games take on a life of their own. From 87- till present every game is tight and exciting to watch. BU will always have 1995 and if course the only blemish on the 92-93 UMaine 42-1-2 team that has been voted best ever. That game was a 8-7 classic OT game. I was an undergrad for both games. I was pissed but loved the games. Then Maine ruined a few BU Nat Champ possibilities with huge NCAA tourney and FF Semifinal victories. The one that standouts most is 2002 in Worcester when Ryan Whitney as a Def took two draws in UM zone with less than a minute with BU on a 6 on 4 advantage. Ryan was so good he won both draws cleanly – the puck went out of the zone and did not allow BU to get setup and score the equalizer. That 02′ BU team was truly loaded but UMaine seemed to be a team of destiny after Coach Walsh passed away in the summer. Jack also made up for turning us in with NCAA which led to 2 season post season ban in 96′ & 97′. Jack visited Shawn in the hospital a few days before he passed. They hated each other but there was a tremendous amount of mutual respect between them. I will miss Jack even after loving to “hate” him. He was a great coach and brought so much to CH. let the rivalry continue with new eras at both programs. They both should be very talented next year and Quinn was a great choice. Baevis is a candidate for Maine job. That would really make it interesting.

      I will politely disagree with you that teams making the FF does not reflect on their respective leagues. If a league gets multiple teams into FF or wins NC it does reflect heavily on the league b/c SOS is a huge part of getting into Tourney and eagle play certainly prepares teams for NCAA’s. I do agree it is about who plays the best for “2” weeks but an AHA team no matter how talented will have a hard time winning 4 games. A deep / talented leagues prepares teams for those 4 win or go home games against multiple styles and great goaltending. The ECAC was vastly underrated all year. Cornell / RPI / St. Lawrence / Brown and even last place Harvard with all of their problems were teams no one wanted to play. I think the Conf was just overlooked and that worked out just fine for them.

  3. The kid who took the penalty resulting in the
    “Bullshit” chant from Lowell fans? None other than 2011 NESCAC Player of the Year Joe Houk.

  4. This is one of the best articles written about the frozen four. Thank you. So true about the commentary.. lol.. how about the “nickname” for UMass Lowell’s goalie.. “the futon”? not even flattering!

    Anyways, Saturday will be an exciting game.

    • I blame myself for Lowell not playing well. I had to DVR the game (work and dinner with the family). I only watched the last seven minutes of the second period. That was the only part of the game the Riverhawks (Red Hawks?) were not completely dominated by Yale, with the exception of Connor Hellebuyck. Lowell kept waiting for a mistake that Yale was not going to make.

      • Joe, that explains everything. I did not see Lowell losing unless they somehow beat themselves. Now I know what really happened. Next year, try to watch the whole game, in fact perhaps you should attend. I think the game will be in Philadelphia. Still, Yale deserves a ton of credit, (even though they crushed my bracket at Minnesota).

        • If BU is there, I am there, but otherwise, it will be a few years before I go to Frozen Fours. I am shooting for next year’s D-III Championship with the boys. It will be a lot cheaper.

  5. Brian, fun piece. Yesterday was awesome. Big props to the North Dakota fan who saw me in my Yale hat and fist bumped and said they played a great game in the regional and a great game against Lowell. Fans of several teams told me how much they enjoyed watching Yale and noted the overall team play of Yale. Fantastic experience!

  6. First of all saying the ECAC is a top tier league is a little bit of a stretch. As a few people have said here already, you can’t judge a league by the success of one or two teams. Case and point Bemidji State making the frozen four in 2009. You certainly wouldn’t say the CHA was a great league…this coming from a BSU alum! I will say that the overall parity in college hockey has come to the forefront and obviously there are going to be teams from all the leagues that can play with anyone. This is one of the reasons why the NCAA tournament is so great for true college hockey fans. Anyone can win against anyone in a single elimination setup. If Yale plays Minnesota or North Dakota in a best of 7, I have a hard time believing they move on. The reason everyone talks about the WCHA and HEA is because the strength of the league year after year after year. So Maybe the ECAC is making a comeback, but one or two years of success doesn’t imply dominance.

    • I respect your post however…..why do you think Yale would not move on in a seven game series against UND or Minnesota? Did you think they would beat UND, Minnesota and then UML? Me either. One great thing about D-1 college hockey is what we are seeing this year at the NCAA’s. “Upsets” that in reality are not really “upsets” after all. It’s not Yale’s 10 year record playing North Dakota’s 10 year record. It is 2013 Yale playing 2013 North Dakota in one game for the right to move on. I also agree you can’t judge a whole league by the success (or lack thereof) of one or two teams. Yale just seems to want it more right now. At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter where you played in high school or USHL or AAA elite leagues to get to D-1 college hockey. If you want it more and play for each other, anything is possible.

  7. Brown fan here. Loved the piece! One thing I’d like to see, going forward, is for the Ivy League teams to start playing the same number of games as everyone else. If Colgate and RPI can play 34 regular season games, there is certainly no good reason the Ivies can’t. It couldn’t help but make the league even stronger. Apologies if this topic has already been beaten into the ground. And best of luck to both Quinnipiac and Yale in the final. You’ve made us proud!

  8. Brian – Your topic and article was widely read and thought provoking. I would love to see a panel discussion of 6 or 8 very experienced head coaches (i.e. Blais, Gwozdecky, Parker, York, Lucia, Eaves, Gawdowsky, Vaughn, etc.), directly address the topic of inter-league play and scheduling smaller market D-1 teams and specifically what goes into their thought process. Issues such as how far out they schedule, is revenue sharing an issue, do they reciprocate with home and home dates alternating years, when teams go west (and vice versa) do they always try to play twice if possible? Do small market teams from the east even try to get on a Wisconsin North Dakota or Denver home schedule? How hard is it to do? Like the NHL, the fans win when everyone plays in every other team’s building. In my opinion, this would be great for the college game too. I realize there are only so many weekends during the college season and travel budgets are a factor.

    • Perhaps lost in this discussion is the fact that there are small market WESTERN teams, also – the Alaska teams, Michigan Tech, Bemidji State, Mankato, etc. They need to be included, too, How hard is it for them to get on the schedule of, say, BC, or BU, or UNH?

    • I’m hoping this is a bright side to the smaller new leagues, BigTen(6 teams) and NCHC(8 teams). BTHC will only have 20 league games which leaves a lot open for scheduling a variety of non conference games. Perhaps HE will someday split into two leagues, doubling their teams’ chances of getting an autobid. With more interleague play, national rankings will be more meaningful as well…

  9. Welcome to college hockey, ECAC. It’s about time. So, where is Quinnipiac again? Kentucky? Regardless, even a blind squirrel finds a……..

      • I don’t like the format. I never have. If it was just by the RPI regardless of attendance I would have no problem with any layout ever. Minnesota should have to go to Albany and play in a hostile environment. I don’t think we should switch the BC Yale game or the UNO Notre Dame game. I HATE the attendance component of this. I would however offer the regularly suggested alternative. Do away with regionals and host schools, and let the high seeds host a single game. Week after the “regional” championships and then you have an extra weekend of hockey for some, like the NFL football format. What I would really love in a perfect world, is a week long tournament encompassing the regional and a championship series all in one locale. A bunch of hockey and you could see it in a nice sized venue actually fill-up. Beer would always help too, but I don’t care about that.

        • WEEK-LONG TOURNAMENT FORMAT WITH BOOZE SALES WOULD BE SOME SERIOUS OWNAGE. FANS WOULD EAT IT UP AND OPERATING COSTS WOULD BE CUT DRASTICALLY.

          OF COURSE, NCAA WOULD BE LIKE, “F— THAT NOISE.”

          • I don’t get it either. Why not? Imagine generating all of those sales…in one locale. It makes so little sense. I would pay 1,000 bucks for a week of hockey.

    • I hope my wolverines play his otherworldly fighting hawks in the tourney and put 6 plus goals up against them like BU did last year and they don’t win again.

          • Who made anything up? Not a lie to call the rodents a crappy team. And to say they are on the up and up after beating two teams with a combined record of 9 wins, now that’s a lie.

          • You did…you said “Yet goophs fans would tell you they are the greatest team out there.”

            I asked you where you saw a gopher fan that, and your response was effectively “some message board somewhere”. I asked for specifics, and you wouldn’t provide them. Therefore, you made it up.

          • Last year? What does this have to do with this year and this Gopher team (its okay — I know you are trying to backpedal).

            Plus, you’ve already done the research, why not choose to make your arguments rational and provide sources.

          • You need to work to find out how much they suck. I know, its a lot of work. Could just flip on the tv and see how bad it is

        • well if CC can put up 5 at the ralph then MICH can put up 12, so 12 to 8 would be the winning score…. and yes our defense does stank… but our offense is one of the best.

    • You are retarded! This is just a pure troll comment and yet you are calling out chokes for trolling? Seriously all the gophs fans in this thread have been the worst trolls on this site all year and before I get an excuse like it’s payback or UND deserves it try be like the fans you pretend to be and be better then this crap cause at this point you are all just embarrassing yourselves and you teams! That goes out to chokes too.

      • YEAH DAWG … TELL THEM LIKE IT IS, THEN UPVOTE YOUR OWN COMMENT. THAT’S HOW RUFF RYDERS HANDLE IT.

        DAK GON’ GIVE IT TO YA.

        • Ya that’s exactly what I was talking about. It was done with purpose but keep on trolling nothing gonna stop fans like you

          • THE PURPOSE: CALLING SOMEONE A ‘RETARD’ AND SAYING ‘THEY STARTED IT …’

            ALSO: YOU FORGOT TO UPVOTE YOUR OTHER COMMENT. CONSISTENCY DAWG … CONSISTENCY …

            GRAND FORKS = CHOCOLATE CITY

      • Actually when i look at the NCHC blogs I don’t see very many fans of the average 6 conference trolling there… but every week und-ieschokers is at the door waiting for the the big6 blog and he is usually first to comment, dude needs a job. Maybe if his team would win a title that he was actually around to witness he would settle down.

      • I don’t like the format. I never have. If it was just by the RPI regardless of attendance I would have no problem with any layout ever. Minnesota should have to go to Albany and play in a hostile environment. I don’t think we should switch the BC Yale game or the UNO Notre Dame game. I HATE the attendance component of this. I would however offer the regularly suggested alternative. Do away with regionals and host schools, and let the high seeds host a single game. Week after the “regional” championships and then you have an extra weekend of hockey for some, like the NFL football format. What I would really love in a perfect world, is a week long tournament encompassing the regional and a championship series all in one locale. A bunch of hockey and you could see it in a nice sized venue actually fill-up. Beer would always help too, but I don’t care about that.

        • WEEK-LONG TOURNAMENT FORMAT WITH BOOZE SALES WOULD BE SOME SERIOUS OWNAGE. FANS WOULD EAT IT UP AND OPERATING COSTS WOULD BE CUT DRASTICALLY.

          OF COURSE THE NCAA BE LIKE, “F— THAT NOISE.”

          • I don’t get it either. Why not? Imagine generating all of those sales…in one locale. It makes so little sense. I would pay 1,000 bucks for a week of hockey.

    • I hope my wolverines play his otherworldly fighting hawks in the tourney and put 6 plus goals up against them like BU did last year and they don’t win again.

          • Who made anything up? Not a lie to call the rodents a crappy team. And to say they are on the up and up after beating two teams with a combined record of 9 wins, now that’s a lie.

          • You did…you said “Yet goophs fans would tell you they are the greatest team out there.”

            I asked you where you saw a gopher fan that, and your response was effectively “some message board somewhere”. I asked for specifics, and you wouldn’t provide them. Therefore, you made it up.

          • Last year? What does this have to do with this year and this Gopher team (its okay — I know you are trying to backpedal).

            Plus, you’ve already done the research, why not choose to make your arguments rational and provide sources.

          • You need to work to find out how much they suck. I know, its a lot of work. Could just flip on the tv and see how bad it is

        • well if CC can put up 5 at the ralph then MICH can put up 12, so 12 to 8 would be the winning score…. and yes our defense does stank… but our offense is one of the best.

    • You are retarded! This is just a pure troll comment and yet you are calling out chokes for trolling? Seriously all the gophs fans in this thread have been the worst trolls on this site all year and before I get an excuse like it’s payback or UND deserves it try be like the fans you pretend to be and be better then this crap cause at this point you are all just embarrassing yourselves and you teams! That goes out to chokes too.

      • YEAH DAWG … TELL THEM LIKE IT IS, THEN UPVOTE YOUR OWN COMMENT. THAT’S HOW RUFF RYDERS HANDLE IT.

        DAK GON’ GIVE IT TO YA.

        • Ya that’s exactly what I was talking about. It was done with purpose but keep on trolling nothing gonna stop fans like you

          • THE PURPOSE: CALLING SOMEONE A ‘RETARD’ AND SAYING ‘THEY STARTED IT …’

            ALSO: YOU FORGOT TO UPVOTE YOUR OTHER COMMENT. CONSISTENCY DAWG … CONSISTENCY …

            GRAND FORKS = CHOCOLATE CITY

      • Actually when i look at the NCHC blogs I don’t see very many fans of the average 6 conference trolling there… but every week und-ieschokers is at the door waiting for the the big6 blog and he is usually first to comment, dude needs a job. Maybe if his team would win a title that he was actually around to witness he would settle down.

  10. Cincy attendance will be iffy no matter who plays there. Herein is the problem with the way these regionals are set up. Until these games are played in “hockey cities”, attendance will always (mostly anyway) be an issue. Bottom line is, it comes down to attendance vs a (semi) home vs away situation. Perfect example….UND playing in Fargo. Some advantage to the more local team, but attendance was excellent. Regional in Cincy will not have good attendance, but the location will be largely neutral.

      • I was trying to make a point. Remember, SCSU is not that far from Fargo. I’m just saying, these are the two issues the NCAA deal with. If you want great attendance, the games will need to be close to one or two of the schools in that region. If you want zero geographical advantage, you put SCSU, DU, UND, BU, BC…..any team you want to pick….in Cincy. Stop thinking at the concrete level, try to have some insight Tipsy.

        • Right, but as the host school UND is guaranteed to be placed there. Their fans can buy tickets to the regional as soon as they are released. SCSU fans aren’t going to know where they are playing until 5 days before the game. The regional sold out last year, so how many tickets do you think are available on Sunday when the regionals are announced?

          • I hear you. I was not aware of the ticket issue. I assumed all schools in a regional were given an equal number. Or, at least have access to an equal number for so many days prior to game time. If CC happened to be in the Fargo regional, for example, I doubt their fans would have purchased all of their ticket allotment. At some point, be it 24-48 hours prior to puck drop, the NCAA would surely want to release these unused CC tix to ensure a full house.
            Tell me, did SCSU have trouble getting tickets for the Fargo regional? Did UND have an unfair advantage purchasing tix? If this is the case, I think that is a huge disadvantage for non-host schools…..and their fans.

          • I don’t know if it is an equal allotment, but each team in a regional gets a certain number of tickets for their fans to buy. When those teams don’t sell them, after a certain point they go out to the public. SCSU didn’t sell all of their tickets so they went on sale in Fargo. They had to be purchased in person at the arena, so I suppose people from the area had an advantage there, but they were already tickets that the other fan bases weren’t using.

          • All four teams in the regional get an equal allotment once they are placed in a regional. UND, being the host team a year in advance knows that if they make the tournament, they’re guaranteed to play there. And let’s be honest, they are probably going to make the field of 16 most years.

          • They were all given an equal amount, but many, many more were sold before those. Those tickets went to UND fans. Tipsy fails to point out that St. Cloud did not use up their entire allocation until UND fans used the remaining tickets.

          • I think part of the thing that The Big wigs in the NCAA hate is that they know they could do the whole tournament in Minnesota at the Excel and Target Center and at the Ralph and it would sell out, even if it was two east coast teams going at it, because people in this area love hockey and will go to a hockey game is between two teams they don’t usually support. All the proof you need is in the region sites once the more local teams are eliminated.

          • Another fact check. UND is not the host school in Cincinnati, Miami is. Should SCSU drop out of the top 4, and UND remain there, they would both play in Minnesota as #1 and #2 seeds. Still think UND fans should buy Midwest Regional tickets as soon as they are released?

        • I wonder if they will ever have a regional out west say denver host? I bet a lot of sioux fans would make that would be a great venue!

      • Tipsy is right Sparky… we should really apologize for SCSU fans caring so little about their team that they won’t travel 150 miles for a regional.

        • The tickets were sold out, dummy. North Dakota is the host school and their fans know they are going to play there if they are in the tournament. St. Cloud fans aren’t going to know until 5 days beforehad, so why would they buy tickets to that regional? Are you really that stupid? Oh wait, you are from North Dakota. So that is a rhetorical question.

          • St. Cloud was selling their ticket allotment to UND fans through their ticket office when they were unable to sell them to their own fanbase.

          • Curious as to where you got your information about SCSU not selling their allotment? I found this quote from an article posted on what is apparently a St. Cloud sports radio website last March, “St. Cloud State was allotted 400 tickets and quickly sold out.” I have no way to verify the info (or if SCSU fans purchased the tickets), but if they sold out “quickly,” I doubt the athletic department had to resort to selling them to other fans.

            In any case, Scheel’s arena hold roughly 6,000, so even if SCSU sold their whole allotment to Husky fans, it’s hard to argue the original counter point which was that UND had way more than “some” advantage playing in Fargo. The huge advantage is a tribute to the UND fan base, but let’s call a spade a spade here…

          • In the siouxsports.com ticket forum under “west regional seats” there was 2 full pages of people who used this loophole. SCSU was unable to sell their allotment so they would sell them to anybody as long as you made a donation (I believe around $100) to the SCSU Athletics Dept. Many people purchased these tickets and it was evident looking at the SCSU section during the tournament last year.

          • See what guest said, below. I’ve bought tickets to regionals that I didn’t know UND was getting in to. Evidently we just have better fandom? :)

          • Where did you get North Dakota is the host school? Miami is the host in Cincinnati. The only Regional that has a conference hosting is the East Regional at the Times Union Center in Albany, where the ECAC is hosting. Do you really think repeating UND is host at Cincinnati makes it a fact?

          • I was replying to Sparky, who said there was “some” advantage to the local team last year in Fargo.

          • read through all of the comments. Per University of Hockey “Tipsy is right Sparky… we should really apologize for SCSU fans caring so little about their team that they won’t travel 150 miles for a regional.” Last I checked Fargo is 150 miles from St. Cloud and not Cinci. Go on to read Sparky and Tipsy’s comments just below this and you will catch up to what they are talking about

          • We dont have to worry about not making the tourney we have made it for what like 13 straight years. MN you have have to worry. SCSU wont ever host, their arena looks like my HS arena. lol. We can end your season like we did last years.

          • SCSU is better than North Dakota in every facet of the game. Offense, defense, special teams. North Dakota will not be ending our season this year.

          • I wouldnt go that far, I think they are matched pretty good. SCSU is at the top in PP, UND is near the top in PK and SCSU near the bottom. Most other category is pretty even. Hopefully they will see each other come tourney time. SCSU has started to get better as one of the top teams more consistently.

          • Were SCSU fans also unaware of the Frozen Faceoff last year? How about the Northstar College Cup this past weekend? As I said, let me apologize for your fans caring so little about your team…

    • He’s right. Cincy is going to have questionable attendance no matter who plays there. The only way it improves there is if Miami or Bowling Green get in, and even that wouldn’t improve it a whole lot.

  11. Cincy attendance will be iffy no matter who plays there. Herein is the problem with the way these regionals are set up. Until these games are played in “hockey cities”, attendance will always (mostly anyway) be an issue. Bottom line is, it comes down to attendance vs a (semi) home vs away situation. Perfect example….UND playing in Fargo. Some advantage to the more local team, but attendance was excellent. Regional in Cincy will not have good attendance, but the location will be largely neutral.

      • I was trying to make a point. Remember, SCSU is not that far from Fargo. I’m just saying, these are the two issues the NCAA deal with. If you want great attendance, the games will need to be close to one or two of the schools in that region. If you want zero geographical advantage, you put SCSU, DU, UND, BU, BC…..any team you want to pick….in Cincy. Stop thinking at the concrete level, try to have some insight Tipsy.

        • Right, but as the host school UND is guaranteed to be placed there. Their fans can buy tickets to the regional as soon as they are released. SCSU fans aren’t going to know where they are playing until 5 days before the game. The regional sold out last year, so how many tickets do you think are available on Sunday when the regionals are announced?

          • I hear you. I was not aware of the ticket issue. I assumed all schools in a regional were given an equal number. Or, at least have access to an equal number for so many days prior to game time. If CC happened to be in the Fargo regional, for example, I doubt their fans would have purchased all of their ticket allotment. At some point, be it 24-48 hours prior to puck drop, the NCAA would surely want to release these unused CC tix to ensure a full house.
            Tell me, did SCSU have trouble getting tickets for the Fargo regional? Did UND have an unfair advantage purchasing tix? If this is the case, I think that is a huge disadvantage for non-host schools…..and their fans.

          • I don’t know if it is an equal allotment, but each team in a regional gets a certain number of tickets for their fans to buy. When those teams don’t sell them, after a certain point they go out to the public. SCSU didn’t sell all of their tickets so they went on sale in Fargo. They had to be purchased in person at the arena, so I suppose people from the area had an advantage there, but they were already tickets that the other fan bases weren’t using.

          • All four teams in the regional get an equal allotment once they are placed in a regional. UND, being the host team a year in advance knows that if they make the tournament, they’re guaranteed to play there. And let’s be honest, they are probably going to make the field of 16 most years.

          • They were all given an equal amount, but many, many more were sold before those. Those tickets went to UND fans. Tipsy fails to point out that St. Cloud did not use up their entire allocation until UND fans used the remaining tickets.

          • I think part of the thing that The Big wigs in the NCAA hate is that they know they could do the whole tournament in Minnesota at the Excel and Target Center and at the Ralph and it would sell out, even if it was two east coast teams going at it, because people in this area love hockey and will go to a hockey game is between two teams they don’t usually support. All the proof you need is in the region sites once the more local teams are eliminated.

          • Another fact check. UND is not the host school in Cincinnati, Miami is. Should SCSU drop out of the top 4, and UND remain there, they would both play in Minnesota as #1 and #2 seeds. Still think UND fans should buy Midwest Regional tickets as soon as they are released?

        • I wonder if they will ever have a regional out west say denver host? I bet a lot of sioux fans would make that would be a great venue!

      • Tipsy is right Sparky… we should really apologize for SCSU fans caring so little about their team that they won’t travel 150 miles for a regional.

        • The tickets were sold out, dummy. North Dakota is the host school and their fans know they are going to play there if they are in the tournament. St. Cloud fans aren’t going to know until 5 days beforehad, so why would they buy tickets to that regional? Are you really that stupid? Oh wait, you are from North Dakota. So that is a rhetorical question.

          • St. Cloud was selling their ticket allotment to UND fans through their ticket office when they were unable to sell them to their own fanbase.

          • Curious as to where you got your information about SCSU not selling their allotment? I found this quote from an article posted on what is apparently a St. Cloud sports radio website last March, “St. Cloud State was allotted 400 tickets and quickly sold out.” I have no way to verify the info (or if SCSU fans purchased the tickets), but if they sold out “quickly,” I doubt the athletic department had to resort to selling them to other fans.

            In any case, Scheel’s arena hold roughly 6,000, so even if SCSU sold their whole allotment to Husky fans, it’s hard to argue the original counter point which was that UND had way more than “some” advantage playing in Fargo. The huge advantage is a tribute to the UND fan base, but let’s call a spade a spade here…

          • In the siouxsports.com ticket forum under “west regional seats” there was 2 full pages of people who used this loophole. SCSU was unable to sell their allotment so they would sell them to anybody as long as you made a donation (I believe around $100) to the SCSU Athletics Dept. Many people purchased these tickets and it was evident looking at the SCSU section during the tournament last year.

          • See what guest said, below. I’ve bought tickets to regionals that I didn’t know UND was getting in to. Evidently we just have better fandom? :)

          • Where did you get North Dakota is the host school? Miami is the host in Cincinnati. The only Regional that has a conference hosting is the East Regional at the Times Union Center in Albany, where the ECAC is hosting. Do you really think repeating UND is host at Cincinnati makes it a fact?

          • I was replying to Sparky, who said there was “some” advantage to the local team last year in Fargo.

          • read through all of the comments. Per University of Hockey “Tipsy is right Sparky… we should really apologize for SCSU fans caring so little about their team that they won’t travel 150 miles for a regional.” Last I checked Fargo is 150 miles from St. Cloud and not Cinci. Go on to read Sparky and Tipsy’s comments just below this and you will catch up to what they are talking about

          • We dont have to worry about not making the tourney we have made it for what like 13 straight years. MN you have have to worry. SCSU wont ever host, their arena looks like my HS arena. lol. We can end your season like we did last years.

          • SCSU is better than North Dakota in every facet of the game. Offense, defense, special teams. North Dakota will not be ending our season this year.

          • I wouldnt go that far, I think they are matched pretty good. SCSU is at the top in PP, UND is near the top in PK and SCSU near the bottom. Most other category is pretty even. Hopefully they will see each other come tourney time. SCSU has started to get better as one of the top teams more consistently.

          • Were SCSU fans also unaware of the Frozen Faceoff last year? How about the Northstar College Cup this past weekend? As I said, let me apologize for your fans caring so little about your team…

    • He’s right. Cincy is going to have questionable attendance no matter who plays there. The only way it improves there is if Miami or Bowling Green get in, and even that wouldn’t improve it a whole lot.

    • I think that would be a bad idea for college hockey. The problem with a best of 3 format is it inherently takes the best teams and puts them at an advantage.

      It’s good for the Yales and Unions to get a natty here and there. I seriously doubt these teams would regularly beat teams like Minnesota, North Dakota, BC, BU, Denver…in a 3 game series. It’s possible but I don’t believe it’s likely.

      1 well played game and it’s a toss up. Which is good for the underdogs.

      Perhaps a first round best of 3 would make sense at onsite locations. Still I fear that these smaller programs would struggle.

      • I wouldnt say it would eliminate smaller schools from winning when Union won the Natty a few years ago.Union was flat out playing on fire during the playoffs (shane G was unreal) and Yale is the same case, got hot at the perfect time. if a smaller school gets hot, i dont think a best of 3 series would slow them down that much. In the current format you have to win 2 games in a weekend to advance same concept with best of 3 just playing the same team obviously. IMO I don’t think it makes that much of a difference

  12. Better solution, Adapt the NHL playoff style, Turn the Tourney into a set of best of three series, Higher seeds host.

    • I think that would be a bad idea for college hockey. The problem with a best of 3 format is it inherently takes the best teams and puts them at an advantage.

      It’s good for the Yales and Unions to get a natty here and there. I seriously doubt these teams would regularly beat teams like Minnesota, North Dakota, BC, BU, Denver…in a 3 game series. It’s possible but I don’t believe it’s likely.

      1 well played game and it’s a toss up. Which is good for the underdogs.

      Perhaps a first round best of 3 would make sense at onsite locations. Still I fear that these smaller programs would struggle.

      • I wouldnt say it would eliminate smaller schools from winning when Union won the Natty a few years ago.Union was flat out playing on fire during the playoffs (shane G was unreal) and Yale is the same case, got hot at the perfect time. if a smaller school gets hot, i dont think a best of 3 series would slow them down that much. In the current format you have to win 2 games in a weekend to advance same concept with best of 3 just playing the same team obviously. IMO I don’t think it makes that much of a difference

  13. St Paul looks pretty good. It looked pretty good last week too. Minnesota will bring in a better fan base than Mankato does, but either one along with St Cloud will have better than average attendance.

    • The Minnesota fan base will start to evaporate if they don’t manage to get the program back up to its pre-Big 10 stature. U of M fans in the cities have too many other options for entertainment and won’t continue to pay the U ticket prices to watch a team they feel isn’t where it is supposed to be. I’ll admit that as someone who worked at one of the MNSCU schools I (you can probably guess which one) it is just a bit satisfying to see the Maroon and Gold empire struggling, considering how much lobbying power they use to keep the MNSCU schools down, athletically and academically.

      MNSU has a smaller fan base for now, but I had the opportunity to watch Minnesota State in the first three years under Hastings, its amazing how far that program has come in just a few years, Verizon Center is pretty dang full even for games against teams like Alabama Huntsville and Lake Superior State, and too be fair I think it would fill up more if the arena seating was a full bowl rather than a U-shape, Sitting on the open end of the U is not ideal for watching a hockey game. MNSU may not be having as good a year as last year, but the program is still on a good upward track.

      • The Minnesota fanbase has ALREADY started to evaporate. Have you been to Mariucci lately? Its like a morgue in there when they play OSU or Sparty.

        • To be fair Judding deserves some credit for recruiting some of the players that Hastings has worked with. But sometimes your program needs a fresh leader with new perspective. Hastings experience in the USHL has served him well and the enthusiasm in Minnesota State for hockey is growing year by year. Its good to see a similar thing happening at Bowling Green and Tech as well.

          • NO DISS ON TROY AT ALL. GOOD RECRUITER AND WAS THE FIRST TO GET THEM IN THE NCAA TOURNEY.

            HASTINGS DIDN’T START FROM SCRATCH … THAT’S FOR SURE.

  14. St Paul looks pretty good. It looked pretty good last week too. Minnesota will bring in a better fan base than Mankato does, but either one along with St Cloud will have better than average attendance.

    • The Minnesota fan base will start to evaporate if they don’t manage to get the program back up to its pre-Big 10 stature. U of M fans in the cities have too many other options for entertainment and won’t continue to pay the U ticket prices to watch a team they feel isn’t where it is supposed to be. I’ll admit that as someone who worked at one of the MNSCU schools I (you can probably guess which one) it is just a bit satisfying to see the Maroon and Gold empire struggling, considering how much lobbying power they use to keep the MNSCU schools down, athletically and academically.

      MNSU has a smaller fan base for now, but I had the opportunity to watch Minnesota State in the first three years under Hastings, its amazing how far that program has come in just a few years, Verizon Center is pretty dang full even for games against teams like Alabama Huntsville and Lake Superior State, and too be fair I think it would fill up more if the arena seating was a full bowl rather than a U-shape, Sitting on the open end of the U is not ideal for watching a hockey game. MNSU may not be having as good a year as last year, but the program is still on a good upward track.

      • The Minnesota fanbase has ALREADY started to evaporate. Have you been to Mariucci lately? Its like a morgue in there when they play OSU or Sparty.

        • To be fair Judding deserves some credit for recruiting some of the players that Hastings has worked with. But sometimes your program needs a fresh leader with new perspective. Hastings experience in the USHL has served him well and the enthusiasm in Minnesota State for hockey is growing year by year. Its good to see a similar thing happening at Bowling Green and Tech as well.

          • NO DISS ON TROY AT ALL. GOOD RECRUITER AND WAS THE FIRST TO GET THEM IN THE NCAA TOURNEY.

            HASTINGS DIDN’T START FROM SCRATCH … THAT’S FOR SURE.

  15. At what point does the Atlantic stop getting an auto bid? Yet another team in the 20’s stealing a spot from a more deserving team

  16. At what point does the Atlantic stop getting an auto bid? Yet another team in the 20’s stealing a spot from a more deserving team

  17. I’m sure someone has a good explanation but I am not sure why U of Minnesota jumps Cornell to get to the final 16. It has to be an attendance issue because if you look, Cornell more wins and a better winning percentage.

      • DU, I think the Pios will make the tourney if they keep winning. If/when they do, do you want to wager anything that they are sent to Albany..lol…?
        The way I look at it DU, the Pios should be used to playing on the east coast by now. Helll, when I see these brackets, you can pretty much plop Denver in the most eastwardly located city….lol. This year, just getting into the NT should be the main goal, would you not agree? BTW, how is my boy Hillman doing lately? Is he playing with more confidence?

        • No doubt we will be sent back East, as usual. Only hope is to get into 3rd band (9-12) and swap with BU in Cincinnati. Still too much hockey left to worry about rankings though. Hillman doing good so far. Montgomery not afraid to pair him with Zajac, saying a lot since Travis thinks he’s a forward so Hillman needs to stay at home.

    • For the purposes of hid predictions, he takes all division leaders up to this point as the league autobids, as if they have won the conference tournament. Thus, Minnesota State and Bobby Morris move to top 16 and Minny stays as they are the current conference leader and Cornell and PSU get moved out

    • Who really cares right now, there is so much hockey let to be played. Teams are going to be moving in and out until the season is over. Why are they evening doing this dumb Bracketology right now

  18. I’m sure someone has a good explanation but I am not sure why U of Minnesota jumps Cornell to get to the final 16. It has to be an attendance issue because if you look, Cornell more wins and a better winning percentage.

      • DU, I think the Pios will make the tourney if they keep winning. If/when they do, do you want to wager anything that they are sent to Albany..lol…?
        The way I look at it DU, the Pios should be used to playing on the east coast by now. Helll, when I see these brackets, you can pretty much plop Denver in the most eastwardly located city….lol. This year, just getting into the NT should be the main goal, would you not agree? BTW, how is my boy Hillman doing lately? Is he playing with more confidence?

        • No doubt we will be sent back East, as usual. Only hope is to get into 3rd band (9-12) and swap with BU in Cincinnati. Still too much hockey left to worry about rankings though. Hillman doing good so far. Montgomery not afraid to pair him with Zajac, saying a lot since Travis thinks he’s a forward so Hillman needs to stay at home.

    • For the purposes of hid predictions, he takes all division leaders up to this point as the league autobids, as if they have won the conference tournament. Thus, Minnesota State and Bobby Morris move to top 16 and Minny stays as they are the current conference leader and Cornell and PSU get moved out

    • Who really cares right now, there is so much hockey let to be played. Teams are going to be moving in and out until the season is over. Why are they evening doing this dumb Bracketology right now

  19. Here’s and idea. Format the tourney to an 8 team best of 3 series over 3 – 4 weeks first weekend on 1-4 seeds campuses, next weekend at a regional site. For example St. Paul in the west and Boston in the east. Then have a Bye weekend or not and play the championship at wherever it’s chosen. It would be the same amount of traveling for the teams 1 – 4 (5-8 can suck it up and travel who knows they may get paired with a nearby school in the 1st round) that occurs now and the NCAA still gets to host some regionals at “neutral venues”. Maybe attendance is soo weak because a majority of the 8 – 16 seeds don’t have enough of a reason to travel to watch their teams play…. Maybe a possibility… if a school with a 3k seat arena becomes a 1-4 seed the NCAA could award conditional regionals to larger arenas nearby that may or may not be used to based on the schools arena size…probably not ideal but are some of those arenas in cincy and Worcester in that much demand anyway

    • Great idea, that way fans would have about 2 days for planning travel since the “conditional” sites wouldn’t be known until a couple days after final PWR. This would really make traveling teams fans “suck it up” for highest airline and hotel rates. Keep these good ideas coming.

      • The “conditional” sites would be bid on years in advance just as regionals are now and as soon as the bracket is announce if a team with a small arena is a 1-4 a regional site nearby would be selected and announced at the same time as it always is when the bracket comes out…I think you may have misunderstood what I meant

        • Don’t think I misunderstood, could be wrong though. You would need too many “conditional” sites, since you don’t know what region you would need them, to have them bid on them years in advance. A lot of larger venues have concerts, skating competitions, and/or conferences planned. Do you really think the NC$$ would settle for 8 teams in 2 Regionals?

          • Ok I’ll agree that the “conditional” site idea is probably not very likely. Was more or less thinking of a possible solution for the problem of a 1 – 4 being a team with a small arena that the NCAA more than likely wouldnt agree with for $ issues. But i think the NCAA would possibly go for the 8 team best of 3. It would equate to 14 – 21 games (current format = 14) plus the first round of best of 3 would guarantee great attendance, compared to the format now (isnt that what a majority of us complain about every week? haha) the second round would more than likely be pretty solid attendance if at least UND or any minnesota team made it in the west and if any boston team made it in the east. Looking at the frozen four the past few years the championship would maintain solid attendance as it has. No more watching games on ESPN with crappy atmospheres in the first 2 rounds hahah

          • Totally agree, but NC$$ will not change because best of 3 at a top seeded school would be very unfair to visitors. Also don’t forget, even though it looks crappy on ESPNU with tons of empty seats at the Regional Finals the NC$$ has already got paid for almost every one.

    • Actually, this is very close to the way it used to be. I think something along this format is the best way to do the NT. Speaking to DU’s point, you could use the “extra” week after the first set of games (games played on campus). This would provide some break in flight costs for fans. You could add an additional week off prior to the NCG, but this might draw the tourney out too long..?? Would have to look at it more closely. Nonetheless, I like this idea much more than the current set up.

      • Extra week would extend too long, like you stated. I don’t remember when it was an 8-team tourney, could be wrong though. Also, would not like to be one of the “home” teams in the first round that would be penalized for having an arena that is not big enough. Every NCHC school has large enough rinks (6,000 +) to qualify, but that is not the case with all schools. Additionally, now the NC$$ wants games on 200×85 surface, this also would cause problems with some schools. If you think Trevor’s idea is good, eliminate the “conditional” sites and let the chips fall where they may. I seriously doubt the NC$$ would go for that though.

        • Yea, no way will there be an 8-field NT. In the past, the first series of the NT took place at higher ranked team’s home ice. Then, the winners would advance to, what amounted to, East-West divisions….then the FF. Now, depending on rank, the regions were not always made up of teams from that part of the country. If DU advanced, they may or may not play in the West division (they did not call it East/West division btw) depending on their national ranking after the initial on-campus games.
          The NCAA has a difficult problem. There are too many variables, I think anyway, the NCAA is trying to remedy. Spreading CH to nontraditional locations with the idea of increasing the number of hockey-playing schools. Fan support considerations. Fairness to the tournament teams. There are too many factors they are trying to address imo. I think CH is what it is. There has been limited growth over the past 15-20 years (not including DII/DIII teams moving up to DI), using the NT as a tool to increase CH visibility simply does not work.
          I think the NCAA needs to, is almost forced to, take advantage of where the fan support is to some degree. Fairness is critical, but there is just no way you can expect fans to show up with some of the locations that have been used over the years. This is why I like the first games of the NT to be played on campus. This will, most of the time, ensure improved fan support. After these games, I really think you have to look at MSP and Boston for regional and NCG locations….permanently. These two cities will eliminate so many issues that have been discussed. You can alternate the NC between the two cities. Imo, this approach eliminates almost every problem or issue Some teams may not like it, I understand this. If DU and CC (and ASU now) begin to see an increase in fan support, you can make an argument for Denver to alternate with MSP. Until then, MSP is the location. Just my $02.00.

          • Sparky, I agree with a good portion of what you said, but one comment I’d make is that I don’t think you/we need to worry about having a permanent home for the Frozen Four. In general, there haven’t been any issues with FF attendance, in part, I believe, because many people go every year no matter what teams are there and make a vacation of it. I personally like going to a different city each year, but maybe that’s just me.

            The regionals are where there are attendance issues and no one can agree on how to fix it. I think it’s pretty easy to say that having regionals in Cincy, Toledo, Grand Rapids, etc. isn’t going to work, but other locations need to bid. I’d be interested to see how a West regional in Fargo and a Midwest in St. Paul would affect attendance (provided UND, MN, etc. make the tournament).

            Also, I like that you gave your $2 instead of your $0.02…I think there’s a long post joke in there somewhere.

          • I normally agree with you 100% of the time, but I disagree with your last couple of sentences. Denver supports post-season play more than most people are aware. If you at the attendance figures for the FF and Regionals, Denver fares very well. The FF attendance has the Pepsi Center 8th and 10th on the all-time list, both without DU playing. There is less than 1,000 people difference in 3rd thru 14th attendance wise. The top 2 are Ford Field, which no arena can match. As far as Regionals are concerned, Pepsi Center ranks 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in attendance in the Midwest/West Regionals ever. Again, DU was not playing in any of the games. I would love to see the Frozen Faceoff come to Denver, just to see how many attend.

          • would love to see the frozen faceoff in Denver as well. Hope the NCHC considers rotating sites in the future

  20. Here’s and idea. Format the tourney to an 8 team best of 3 series over 3 – 4 weeks first weekend on 1-4 seeds campuses, next weekend at a regional site. For example St. Paul in the west and Boston in the east. Then have a Bye weekend or not and play the championship at wherever it’s chosen. It would be the same amount of traveling for the teams 1 – 4 (5-8 can suck it up and travel who knows they may get paired with a nearby school in the 1st round) that occurs now and the NCAA still gets to host some regionals at “neutral venues”. Maybe attendance is soo weak because a majority of the 8 – 16 seeds don’t have enough of a reason to travel to watch their teams play…. Maybe a possibility… if a school with a 3k seat arena becomes a 1-4 seed the NCAA could award conditional regionals to larger arenas nearby that may or may not be used to based on the schools arena size…probably not ideal but are some of those arenas in cincy and Worcester in that much demand anyway

    • Great idea, that way fans would have about 2 days for booking travel plans since the “conditional” sites wouldn’t be known until a couple days after final PWR. This would really make traveling teams fans “suck it up” for highest airline and hotel rates. Keep these good ideas coming.

      • The “conditional” sites would be bid on years in advance just as regionals are now and as soon as the bracket is announce if a team with a small arena is a 1-4 a regional site nearby would be selected and announced at the same time as it always is when the bracket comes out…I think you may have misunderstood what I meant

        • Don’t think I misunderstood, could be wrong though. You would need too many “conditional” sites, since you don’t know what region you would need them, to have them bid on them years in advance. A lot of larger venues have concerts, skating competitions, and/or conferences planned. Do you really think the NC$$ would settle for 8 teams in 2 Regionals?

          • Ok I’ll agree that the “conditional” site idea is probably not very likely. Was more or less thinking of a possible solution for the problem of a 1 – 4 being a team with a small arena that the NCAA more than likely wouldnt agree with for $ issues. But i think the NCAA would possibly go for the 8 team best of 3. It would equate to 14 – 21 games (current format = 14) plus the first round of best of 3 would guarantee great attendance, compared to the format now (isnt that what a majority of us complain about every week? haha) the second round would more than likely be pretty solid attendance if at least UND or any minnesota team made it in the west and if any boston team made it in the east. Looking at the frozen four the past few years the championship would maintain solid attendance as it has. No more watching games on ESPN with crappy atmospheres in the first 2 rounds hahah

          • Totally agree, but NC$$ will not change because best of 3 at a top seeded school would be very unfair to visitors. Also don’t forget, even though it looks crappy on ESPNU with tons of empty seats at the Regional Finals the NC$$ has already got paid for almost every one.

    • Actually, this is very close to the way it used to be. I think something along this format is the best way to do the NT. Speaking to DU’s point, you could use the “extra” week after the first set of games (games played on campus). This would provide some break in flight costs for fans. You could add an additional week off prior to the NCG, but this might draw the tourney out too long..?? Would have to look at it more closely. Nonetheless, I like this idea much more than the current set up.

      • Extra week would extend too long, like you stated. I don’t remember when it was an 8-team tourney, must have been a while back. Also, would not like to be one of the “home” teams in the first round that would be penalized for having an arena that is not big enough. Every NCHC school has large enough rinks (6,000 +) to qualify, but that is not the case with all schools. Additionally, now the NC$$ wants games on 200×85 surface, this also would cause problems with some schools. If you think Trevor’s idea is good, eliminate the “conditional” sites and let the chips fall where they may. I seriously doubt the NC$$ would go for that though.

        • Yea, no way will there be an 8-field NT. In the past, the first series of the NT took place at higher ranked team’s home ice. Then, the winners would advance to, what amounted to, East-West divisions….then the FF. Now, depending on rank, the regions were not always made up of teams from that part of the country. If DU advanced, they may or may not play in the West division (they did not call it East/West division btw) depending on their national ranking after the initial on-campus games.
          The NCAA has a difficult problem. There are too many variables, I think anyway, the NCAA is trying to remedy. Spreading CH to nontraditional locations with the idea of increasing the number of hockey-playing schools. Fan support considerations. Fairness to the tournament teams. There are too many factors they are trying to address imo. I think CH is what it is. There has been limited growth over the past 15-20 years (not including DII/DIII teams moving up to DI), using the NT as a tool to increase CH visibility simply does not work.
          I think the NCAA needs to, is almost forced to, take advantage of where the fan support is to some degree. Fairness is critical, but there is just no way you can expect fans to show up with some of the locations that have been used over the years. This is why I like the first games of the NT to be played on campus. This will, most of the time, ensure improved fan support. After these games, I really think you have to look at MSP and Boston for regional and NCG locations….permanently. These two cities will eliminate so many issues that have been discussed. You can alternate the NC between the two cities. Imo, this approach eliminates almost every problem or issue Some teams may not like it, I understand this. If DU and CC (and ASU now) begin to see an increase in fan support, you can make an argument for Denver to alternate with MSP. Until then, MSP is the location. Just my $02.00.

          • Sparky, I agree with a good portion of what you said, but one comment I’d make is that I don’t think you/we need to worry about having a permanent home for the Frozen Four. In general, there haven’t been any issues with FF attendance, in part, I believe, because many people go every year no matter what teams are there and make a vacation of it. I personally like going to a different city each year, but maybe that’s just me.

            The regionals are where there are attendance issues and no one can agree on how to fix it. I think it’s pretty easy to say that having regionals in Cincy, Toledo, Grand Rapids, etc. isn’t going to work, but other locations need to bid. I’d be interested to see how a West regional in Fargo and a Midwest in St. Paul would affect attendance (provided UND, MN, etc. make the tournament).

            Also, I like that you gave your $2 instead of your $0.02…I think there’s a long post joke in there somewhere.

          • I normally agree with you 100% of the time, but I disagree with your last couple of sentences. Denver supports post-season play more than most people are aware. If you at the attendance figures for the FF and Regionals, Denver fares very well. The FF attendance has the Pepsi Center 8th and 10th on the all-time list, both without DU playing. There is less than 1,000 people difference in 3rd thru 14th attendance wise. The top 2 are Ford Field, which no arena can match. As far as Regionals are concerned, Pepsi Center ranks 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in attendance in the Midwest/West Regionals ever. Again, DU was not playing in any of the games. I would love to see the Frozen Faceoff come to Denver, just to see how many attend. I do appreciate your $2.00, or $.02 worth. :-)

          • would love to see the frozen faceoff in Denver as well. Hope the NCHC considers rotating sites in the future

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