Pick ’em, Halloween Edition

Shane here …

Finally, Jack, we have a weekend in which all the WCHA teams are playing each other. It’s weekends like this that, I think, help the conference, as you have teams and fans all paying attention to what’s happening. It sure has been an interesting start to the season, and picking ain’t easy. My pick of a rare out-of-Alaska win for Anchorage and guessing the right side of a Lake Superior State split at Michigan State moved me a game ahead of you in the overall. Woo-hoo! Let’s see how this week goes.

JACK: I’m still not sure what to make of most of these teams, Shane. It feels like every single one of our our picks so far could have gone either way. That’s how unpredictable it’s been to this point — there’s no one dominant team in the league and I feel like the bottom half of the league is almost as competitive as the top half (at least, so far). This weekend it’s Halloween so I’m sure there will be even more weird results.

Alabama Huntsville at Lake Superior State

SHANE: The Lakers have split the last two weekends and should be feeling good about themselves at home this weekend. The Chargers, meanwhile, are going on the road for the first time this season after getting one point at home against Anchorage. Sometimes those early road trips can be good for teams. Lakers 2-1, Chargers 1-0

JACK: The Lakers have definitely impressed me so far this season. They definitely look like a better team than the one that started last season with eight losses. The Chargers have just played four games and I’m not sure what to make of them. I think a split is likely. Lakers 3-1, Chargers 2-1

Ferris State at Michigan Tech

SHANE: Wait, didn’t these two teams just play each other? They did. Two weeks ago in Big Rapids where they split. I thought the Huskies might get off to a little bit better start, but it’s been a tough schedule to start with three of four WCHA games on the road. I think they get it done at home in a couple of close games. A tie wouldn’t shock me. Huskies 3-2, 4-3

JACK: Shane and I usually agree on things but pick differently for competitions sake. This time, I see no good reason to pick against a Huskies sweep. The Bulldogs are decent and I also think the games will be close, but Jamie Phillips gets it done in the net. Huskies 2-1, 4-2

Bemidji State at Northern Michigan
SHANE: The Beavers will be motivated after dropping a pair of close games to Minnesota State last weekend. But hidden inside the Wildcats’ 2-2-2 record is how dominant they were in their home games, scoring 10 goals in two games and outshooting Tech 46-21 in a 4-1 win on Saturday. Wildcats 4-2, 4-1

JACK: Here’s where I’ll disagree (and label me a homer if you must). Both NMU and BSU have sold power play units (the Beavers are No. 6 in the country on the man advantage and have 7 PP goals). The Wildcats are also solid (6-of-23). I think this series will come down to which team stays out of the box with a split likely. Wildcats 4-1, Beavers 5-2

Alaska at Minnesota State

SHANE: The Mavericks got back on track last weekend with their two wins in Bemidji and now are back home to face another team that has given them fits recently. The Nanooks were the only WCHA team to have a winning record against MSU last season, going 2-1-1. I think Colton Parayko was a big, big reason for that, and he’s not there anymore. Mavericks 3-1, 4-2

JACK: MSU looked solid in Bemidji and won because of strong special teams play — they netted two shorthanded goals and two on the power play. The Nanooks haven’t left Alaska yet so I’m not sure how they’ll far this weekend. I’ll call for an MSU sweep because of that unknown. Mavericks 4-1, 4-2

Bowling Green at Alaska Anchorage

SHANE: This is a Saturday-Sunday series, giving each of these teams a little more travel time (at least on the front end of the weekend). The Falcons are coming off an idle weekend, too, so they should be well-rested. It might be a tad early to say that the Seawolves are the surprise team of the league, but they’re off to a good start. That just might continue. Falcons 3-2, Seawolves 3-2

JACK: Was last season’s disappointing season an aberration for Anchorage? After all, they made it to the Final Five in 2013-14. Their 4-1-1 start is promising, but they haven’t exactly been facing a murderer’s row. Their results this weekend against a very good Bowling Green team should tell us a lotSeawolves 4-3, Falcons 3-2

Last week: Shane 6-2-2, Jack 3-5-2. Overall: Shane 21-14-7, Jack 20-15-7


    • Wait…Andy Miele came to Miami U. in the middle of the year. He never “sat” out a semester. He was in Junior Hockey on track to claim a scoring record and was recruited by Miami. He left Junior Hockey and his claim to a scoring record in that league to play with Miami U. Andy could have waited until the following year to join Miami’s team.

      • I think what was meant was that technically he didn’t sit out a semester, but he came in January because he needed that first semester to become cleared by the NCAA to be eligible to play. We had a player in the same situation at UND this year that wasn’t eligible until January. It happens. I don’t think it’s necessarily academic issues, it could be a case of not taking all the required coursework required to be a student athlete in NCAA, so sometimes that needs to get done since not all high schools have the same requirements I’d say.

    • Good call Fetch, beating the crap out a person on a bike is more serious than throwing a lawn mower into the street, also Frattin was acquitted of dui as well.

      • Yeah! He is a real Character Guy!

        Was the DUI trial, a jury trial in Grand Forks? Acquitted by a jury of Peers? or Fans?

        • While Sioux fans are some of the most passionate in all of sport, it isn’t the only thing going in Grand Forks. There are plenty of people there that don’t give a **** about hockey, and to make that staement is just plain ignorant.

          • I am sorry to label the whole of Grand Forks. However, if you have read some of these posts from NoDak fans, then i am sorry but sometimes you have to speak the same language (ignorance), in order to get a point across.

    • No! He did not sit out a semester for academics.

      He joined the team after the 1st semester because another player left the team and scholarship money opened up.

  1. Lets get serious here, Cam Newton won the Heisman this year while his dad was proven to shop his son to college teams. Although not directly related i think the group of former Heisman winners could have put two and two together and say maybe Cam shoudnt fit the “Heisman” criteria, but we all know what these awards are to celebrate the best PLAYER of their respective sports….everyday a new story comes out about an NCAA athlete or coach being accused of a “character” issue. Lets not get lost in what this award is, for the best NCAA Ice Hockey player

  2. frattin, while 21 got drunk and rowdy, during the offseason. cam atkinson and his brother go and beat up some people. which do you think is worse? and then there is miele, not dedicated enough to put forth the minimal amount of work it would take to be academically eligible. which is more a reflection of character?

  3. Maybe you should discuss the “Character” of all three candidates, rather than just Frattin’s. Articles like this hurt the credibility of uscho. Miele and Atkinkson are only even mentioned in this article, when you say they “have a leg up” on Frattin character wise. This piece does not even touch “the character issue” like the title says. Its just your opinion of Matt Frattin. And isnt this award for “best player in college hockey”?

    • I believe Matt Frattin is the best player this year in College Hockey. The Hobey Baker is not given to “the best player”. Character Matters. No one is considering Atkinson as a real candidate. Its Frattin or Miele. Atkinson on AND off ice merits do not add up to “being Hobey”. Miele has not had academic issues. This is a misrepresentation trying to detract attention to Frattin’s character issues. The Sioux are my second favorite team in college hockey. Sioux fans are out of line in these debates. If Miele wins, I sure hope Sioux fans show Character and applaud the decision. My fear is they will not respect the vote and disgrace all Sioux fans. This article points out the only meaningful character debate. The only debate is the best player in college hockey off ice conduct bad enough to give this award to the second best player. We will find out Friday. Perhaps the writer did not state there argument clearly enough. If Frattin was a Saint and put up these numbers there is no debate. Therefore the character issue is Frattin’s issue. His off ice behavior is what is keeping this from being a forgone conclusion.

      • As a Sioux fan. I have to agree. When Duncan won, I was somewhat surprised but I was proud of him and how well his skills fit in to the team that UND had at the time. I think Matt should win this year but if Miele were to win, I would not be surprised at all. Both players are products of the teams they are on – assists and goals are functions of those around you, but clearly these players are both intregal to their teams’ success and are the two most valuable players in the country. If either get the award, there is no way I can second guess either choise and say they shouldn’t have won. Congrats Andy and Matt for being the most valuable players you are.

      • Sioux fan here, would not have a problem with Miele winning at all. I would have a problem with Atkinson winning (Frattin beats him in skills, numbers, and character IMHO).

        I do have a problem talking about pity pat stuff that happened two years ago during the summer. People are acting like he was a criminal, people are calling him a criminal and saying that he has had countless issues (a disorderly conduct and an acquittal is what he has). He hasn’t done anything worse than 95 percent of the country. I don’t even think they should bring up Atkinsons past which I think is a little more serious of an issue.

        • I’ll start by saying that each of these three players are worthy of the Hobey.

          But I do want to challenge your “opinion” that Matt Frattin beats Cam Atkinson in “skills, numbers, and character.” First, how many times have you watched Atkinson play. He has extraordinary hockey skills, as do Frattin and Miele.

          Also, how many times have you watched Miele play?

          Next, lets compare the numbers.
          Frattin has 36g, 24a in 43 games (1.40 PPG), 6GW, 10PP, and 3SH.

          Atkinson has 31g, 21a in 39 games (1.33PPG), 5GW, 8PP, and 4SH. Just to make it interesting, what if Atkinson had played 43 games? If he maintained his average of 1.33PPG, he’d have a total of 57 points (versus Frattin’s 60).

          Miele has 24g, 47a, in 39 games (1.82PPG), 4GW, 6PP, 1SH. What if Miele had played 43 games? If he maintained his average of 1.82PPG, he’d have a total of 80 points (versus Frattin’s 60 and Atkinson’s 57).

          Lastly, the character issue. Naw, I won’t go there. I’m probably in the minority, but I still believe that Cam Newton should not have won the Heisman due to his off the field issues (regardless of the fact that they did not happen during his winning year).

          I do feel that the Hobey Baker criteria explicitly stresses “character” more than any other collegiate award (considering who Hobey Baker was as a person, and his legacy). That said, I don’t believe choosing any of these excellent hockey players would tarnish the award or Baker’s legacy. I want to celebrate college hockey, not tear it or certain players down because my “hobey choice” didn’t win.

          PS) I live in Orono, ME….Gustav Nyquistville….

          • I was going to try look into TOI but couldn’t find any stats for the candidates so I just ignored the fact that we run 4 all the time. I can’t back it up enough, but were BC and Miami consistently running 3?

          • I didn’t take the time to look up the stats. Just trying to make the point that anyone of those guys could play the “What If?” game.

          • And for the record, I’m probably one of the few Sioux fans who thinks Miele should probably win the award

          • Miele isn’t playing any more, Frattin is. I had Miami winning their bracket, and they get bounced right away. I understand that this was a home game for UNH(the host institution thing is ridiculous), and that Miami easily had the worst draw for a 1 seed. That was a big part of the discussion leading up to the tourney between Frattin and Miele. The guy who had the better run was going to have the edge. Well, here we are, at the FF, and Miami will be watching the game on tv.

          • That is a terrible argument. So you are saying that you need to make the Frozen Four in order to be considered for the Hobey Baker Award?

            The Frozen four is a team award.

      • I don’t want to be this guy, but can anyone prove to me that Andy Miele has never gotten drunk at a party? If not, then the only difference between Miele and Frattin is getting caught. Getting caught does not determine character. Character is what you do when nobody else is looking. So unless you are a personal expert on Frattin or Miele, zip the character debate. Assault on the other hand, is a bit more of a character issue. If getting drunk is a character issue, then pretty much every college hockey players has “character issues.”

    • No! Frattin has had his character questioned by choices he has made. These are not opinions, but facts. He was arrested twice, he was kicked off the team. Miele has not had these questions, because there is no documented reason for questioning him.

      No this is not an award for the best college hockey player. It is a memorial award to the hockey player who exemplifies the character of Hobey Baker. One of which, is being a top talent in College Hockey.

  4. I am sure all of the players are deserving. Having character and making mistakes are different things. It is not like people of high character never make mistakes. If the reward is based on the type of person the candidates were this year and is not about digging up the dirt of peoples past then none of them have character issues in my opinion. Congrats to all of the Hobey candidates. Being in the top 10 makes you part of very select group – even more so for those in the Hobey Hat Trick. I just hope that, whoever wins, the media has the class to not make it a “controversy” by focusing on the winner’s past mistakes. I hope that instead the focus is on what a great job the winner has done this season.

  5. Do you think that if a player was not worthy of the Hobey, the voters would not have voted for that player. The player has already been selected. So no matter what is said for here on out really does not matter.

  6. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I feel like I remember reading that Miele was arrested at one point for something during a traffic stop. I’m trying to find where I read that right now, but I don’t feel like I’m making it up…

  7. Siouxfan4life how about backing that up before throwing it out? I think that given the incredible effort by the Miami team to call for respect for all people in the wake of the tragedy there, Miele has quite a “leg up” on the others. I think you have there the aspect of character building up a candidate. I think that given that Miele is a fantastic player with great credentials plus the post-tragedy behaviors, that we have an ideal candidate and a young man of whom to be proud. Overcoming your bad deeds to stay in school does not make you a great person. It means you’ve attempted to redeem yourself. By the standards of the ND fans, Michael Vick is now a great person

    • If you’re issue with this post was it being viewed as insensitive towards Burke’s death or the awareness that he raised and the strides he made to get a real world issue in the forefront I will willingly remove it. That was not my intention and I’m sorry it was taken that way.

      Aside from that issue, I’ve repeatedly dismissed statistics and have repeatedly said (on here and other boards http://www.uscho.com/hobeywatch/2011/03/30/should-have-seen-it-coming/) that I think Miele has the best shot at the award. I think he wins completely on his own merit though.

      • As you’re ignorant, just look up the story of Brendan Burke and the tragedy that befell the Miami hockey team and how the players responded. You could have gone on google before being a loudmouth, but I guess we just learned you’re only capable of looking up stats and posting manifestos and don’t bother learning anything outside North Dakota. Classless. Just simply classless. This is typical.

      • woah…. I’m a Miami fan and I know many a good Sioux fans. You should probably stop talking. As a matter of fact, take off your picture and don’t post again. It’s people like you who give them the bad rep. And they don’t deserve it…

        • @UNDclass and @HockeyFan

          Can you not read?

          1. I asked what year it happened and just stated that tragedies happen everywhere (even in ND), so how that helps you win an award I don’t know.

          2. If you are going to quote “respect for all people” maybe you should stop chanting asshole 4 times a game and mocking people during starting line-ups. I didn’t accuse Miami of doing it, I asked if they still did. I even said that if they did, that I didn’t care.

          3. HobeyBaker1918 claimed that all ND fans think that Michael Vick is a great person and thats what I took offense to. Which I reiterated later and said that he “had some good points and that’s why I think he’s better than the couple sentences that were borderline stereotyping or trolling (Vick comments)

          4. I quoted “I don’t even care about the numbers, if you have to look at a scoresheet to tell who is better than the difference is negligible. I’ve seen miele play alot, I live in Ohio. Im personally vested in cam because I have a cbj psl. Watching them play I think frattin is better. Who do i think deserves the hobey? I can’t answer that because im bias. Who do i think will win, miele. Is miele deserving, absolutely. Atkinson . . .he can settle on having the best career and being the best over the last few years but i think he’s beat out this year specifically”

          5. On another boards I have stated that even if you throw out the Disorderly Conduct, Miele still has Frattin beat off the ice IMO (charity/academics). I have stated that Miele is deserving of the award. I have stated that Atkinson has had the best career. How any of these comments are classless or ignorant I do not know. I’m sorry I didn’t say, look at the whole Burke story, someone give these guys an award. I am not patronizing. Kind of like I didn’t say, Frattin overcame so many personal demons, give him an award.

    • It’s not a dig, just an example. I have a ton of respect for Mike Carman, and have mentioned him recently in comparison to Frattin: another guy who did the right thing and dealt with his mistakes by working hard to regain his eligibility, rather than run off to someplace where he could have simply focused on hockey (in his case, major junior with Kelowna). Perhaps because I’ve mentioned that, he was the first player who came to mind when I was thinking of someone who “sat out a semester due to academics,” because he didn’t make grades, as opposed to Miele, who delayed the start of his career to get his eligibility sorted out coming out of high school.

      This is a feature I wrote about Carman when he made his return for the Gophers. I think you’ll agree that I treated him with respect:


  8. sorry uscho didn’t know you were that mindful of language. And I do want to stress I i hobey1918 had some good points and that’s why I think he’s better than the couple sentences that were borderline stereotyping or trolling. 18Seconds im not sure what you were arguing with me about. You proved frattin had better numbers than cam. I don’t even care about the numbers, if you have to look at a scoresheet to tell who is better than the difference is negligible. I’ve seen miele play alot, I live in Ohio. Im personally vested in cam because I have a cbj psl. Watching them play I think frattin is better. Who do i think deserves the hobey? I can’t answer that because im bias. Who do i think will win, miele. Is miele deserving, absolutely. Atkinson . . .he can settle on having the best career and being the best over the last few years but i think he’s beat out this year specifically

    • I was trying to point out that IMHO, Frattin and Atkinson have very similar numbers, especially if you look at PPG. If you don’t think so (1.40 vs. 1.33), then what would you say about Miele’s 1.82 PPG?

      That said, the Hobey doesn’t always go to the player with the most points or most goals. Frattin might still deserve the award, but here are the criteria as listed on hobeybaker.com:

      Hobey Baker Award Criteria

      1. Candidates must exhibit strength of character both on and off the ice.

      2. Candidates must contribute to the integrity of the team and display outstanding skills in all phases of the game.

      3. Consideration should be given to scholastic achievement and sportmanship.

      4. Candidates must comply with all NCAA rules: be full time students in an accredited NCAA college or university; and complete 50% or more of the season.

      Again, I believe that all three are “worthy”.

      • Thanks for clarifying that, but I think I’m mostly on your side.

        I stated that I think Miele will win and that he deserves it. “Who do i think will win, miele. Is miele deserving, absolutely.”

        Side note, lame that Miele is ineligible for playoffs with Phoenix . . .

        As for Atkinson, I did say that he wasn’t deserving but didn’t mean to sound that negative. He’s worthy, I just think this year it has to come down to Miele and Frattin . . . but I do think Cam has had the best career and I’ll be cheering for him next year in Columbus (in person!)

        • I was surprised to learn (from your post) that Miele is ineligible for the playoffs. Thanks for the info.

          Do you know why that is? Do teams have to submit their rosters early or do players have to play a certain amount of games with the playoff team in question? Excuse my lack of knowledge on this.

          Have fun watching Atkinson at the rink….as we say up here in Maine, he’s wicked fast. He burned the UMaine hockey team a few too many times over that past 3 years. :)

          • There is a rule going the other way . . . A player on an NHL roster at the deadline cannot play in the AHL playoffs (makes sense so you don’t load up your AHL roster at playoff time).

            I’m not sure how the rule (in Miele’s case) is written but they have to be signed before the trade deadline. Doesn’t make sense to me though.

  9. All 3 players are worthy, which is more than can be said for Elliot writing decent articles.. Seriously with this “sick” excuse as to why you’ve missed key facts in your articles? I’m not buying your “sick” excuse, its lack of research/knowledge on the subject you’re writing on. Please stop writing bad articles that you need to revise after people call you out on your mistakes and then using the “sick” excuse. Hate to use this but take a page out of Matt Frattin’s book and own up to mistakes YOU made!!!

  10. Look Frattin made mistakes and he is living up to his mistakes, how many people can say that? I would really like to know how squeaky clean the other candidates really are. I would like to know of any incidents “swept” under the rug, it happens in every sports, at every level, and at every college. Besides the Hobey Baker is not given to the best player for his past years, it is given to the best character/player for that year and Frattin has done just that. I’m not saying I am a big Frattin fan, I commend him for what he has did this “YEAR” and hope him the best, but what I am saying is that every ones character gets put into judgment every once an while and he by far as stood up to the challenge.

    • I still think that Matt Frattin is a baby stabbing, prima donna who hits like like a diesel and scores like Matthew McConaughey.

  11. Character apparently means nothing for the Hobey. If it did Jack Connolly would be in the Hat Trick. The kid is just a really good person. Before the second game in the first round of the WCHA playoffs, Jack was visiting a kid in the hospital. Yesterday he was at an event to help funding for heart disease. Come to think of it I don’t remember the last weekend when UMD was at home that Jack wasn’t doing something out in the community. If Hobey claims to value character they should stick to it and commend guys like Connolly for their unfaltering good character.

  12. I think it is irresponsible for you to bring up past transgressions. We have all done things in the past which we are not proud of and just because a person is a Hobey Baker finalist does not mean that their entire college (and even pre college) track record should be broadcast across this web site.

  13. Andy Miele has had an amazing season and he has put up the best stats of anyone in college hockey in years. That right there should get him the Hobey Baker. To say he should get discredited for having good players on his line shouldn’t be an issue.

    In 2007 Ryan Duncan won the award and it was pretty clear that he was the third best player on his line. But he had the best stats on his line.

  14. “It’s all well and good to learn from your mistakes, but that doesn’t put you on equal footing with people who never made those mistakes in the first place.”

    – Well I’m glad I don’t know you

  15. This is the Hobey Baker Award for the 2010/11 season and not the 2007-2011 seasons, correct?

    Anyone who has watched Frattin all year saw his importance on the ice against the best teams even if his scoring against the best teams wasn’t as high as Miele’s.

    How is Miele as a two-way player? Was he the best player on his own team? That seems up to debate.

    I think looking at the character issue as applied to THIS season, there is no way Frattin can be knocked down a rung.

    Frattin or Miele… both deserving.

    • Miele is on the top set of PK forwards for Miami.

      Whose Penalty Killing % was second in the nation at 88.3% (181-205).

      That says something about his two-way play.

      Was Frattin the best player on his team? I can debate that as well. Some might say Dell was the best player this year for NoDak.

      What I can tell you is that against Top Competition, Frattin was not the best player in the the Hobey Hat trick, and maybe not the Top player on his team against Top Competition.


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