One week out, and some new at-large teams appear in the field

Charlie Sampair and Minnesota-Duluth have won four straight games to climb to 13th in the PairWise Rankings (photo: Bradley K. Olson).

It’s time once again to do what we like to call Bracketology, college hockey style. It’s our weekly look at how I believe the NCAA tournament will wind up come selection time.

It’s a look into what are the possible thought processes behind selecting and seeding the NCAA tournament teams.

We’ll keep bringing you a new one every week until we make our final picks before the field is announced on March 20.

Those of you that are veterans of the college hockey scene know that it is all about the PairWise Rankings. This is USCHO’s numerical approach that simulates the way the NCAA Division I men’s ice hockey committee chooses the teams that make the NCAA tournament.

Since USCHO began the PairWise Rankings, we have correctly identified all of the teams that have been selected to the NCAA tournament.

I am the only prognosticator to have correctly predicted the exact brackets for the NCAA tournament in four of the last five years, meaning that I have predicted how the committee thought when putting together the brackets.

This is not a be-all, end-all analysis of the bracket. I am trying to give you, the reader, an idea of what the committee might be thinking and not exactly what they are thinking.

If you want to skip the inner workings and get to the results of the analysis, then click here.

Here are the facts:

• Sixteen teams are selected to participate in the national tournament.

• There are four regional sites (East — Albany, N.Y.; Northeast — Worcester, Mass.; Midwest — Cincinnati; West — St. Paul, Minn.).

• A host institution that is invited to the tournament plays in the regional for which it is the host and cannot be moved. There are four host institutions this year: Union in Albany, Holy Cross in Worcester, Miami in Cincinnati and Minnesota in St. Paul.

• Seedings will not be switched. To avoid undesirable first-round matchups, including intraconference games (see below), teams will be moved among regionals, not reseeded.

Here are the NCAA’s guidelines on the matter, from the 2016 pre-championship manual:

In setting up the tournament, the committee begins with a list of priorities to ensure a successful tournament on all fronts, including competitive equity, financial success and the likelihood of a playoff-type atmosphere at each regional site. For this model, the following is a basic set of priorities:

1. Once the six automatic qualifiers and 10 at-large teams are selected, the next step is to develop four groups from the committee’s rankings of 1-16. The top four teams are No. 1 seeds and will be placed in the bracket so that if all four teams advance to the Men’s Frozen Four, the No. 1 seed will play the No. 4 seed and the No. 2 seed will play the No. 3 seed in the semifinals. The next four are targeted as No. 2 seeds. The next four are No. 3 seeds and the last four are No. 4 seeds.

2. Step two is to place the home teams. Host institutions that qualify will be placed at home.

3. Step three is to fill in the bracket so that first-round conference matchups are avoided, unless it corrupts the integrity of the bracket. If five or more teams from one conference are selected to the championship, then the integrity of the bracket will be protected (i.e., maintaining the pairing process according to seed will take priority over avoidance of first-round conference matchups). To complete each regional, the committee assigns one team from each of the remaining seeded groups so there is a No. 1, No. 2, No. 3 and No. 4 seed at each regional site.

Given these facts, here is the top 16 of the current PairWise Rankings (PWR), and the conference leaders or highest remaining seed in the conference playoffs through all games as of March 9:

1 North Dakota
2 Quinnipiac
3 St. Cloud State
4 Providence
5 Boston College
6t Denver
6t Yale
8t Michigan
8t Boston University
10 Notre Dame
11 Harvard
12 Massachusetts-Lowell
13 Minnesota-Duluth
14 Michigan Tech
15 Omaha
16 Cornell
17t Minnesota
21 Robert Morris

Current conference leaders based on winning percentage or highest remaining seeds remaining in conference tournaments:

Atlantic Hockey: Robert Morris
Big Ten: Minnesota
ECAC Hockey: Quinnipiac
Hockey East: Boston College
NCHC: North Dakota
WCHA: Michigan Tech (No. 1 seed in WCHA tournament)

Notes

• Bracketology assumes that the season has ended and there are no more games to be played — i.e., the NCAA tournament starts tomorrow.

• For Big Ten teams, who have two games left before the postseason starts, I will be using winning percentage, not points accumulated, to determine the current leader. This team is my assumed conference tournament champion.

• For leagues whose regular season is complete, the highest seed remaining in the conference tournament is my assumed conference tournament champion.

Step one

From the committee’s report, choose the 16 teams in the tournament.

We break ties in the PWR by looking at the individual comparisons among the tied teams, and add in any current league leaders that are not currently in the top 16. The only teams that are not are Minnesota and Robert Morris.

From there, we can start looking at the ties and bubbles in a more detailed fashion.

The ties and bubbles consist of Denver and Yale, and Notre Dame and Boston University.

We break all of our ties based upon the RPI.

Therefore, the 16 teams in the tournament, in rank order, are:

1 North Dakota
2 Quinnipiac
3 St. Cloud State
4 Providence
5 Boston College
6 Denver
7 Yale
8 Michigan
9 Boston University
10 Notre Dame
11 Harvard
12 Massachusetts-Lowell
13 Minnesota-Duluth
14 Michigan Tech
15 Minnesota
16 Robert Morris

Step two

Now it’s time to assign the seeds.

No. 1 seeds: North Dakota, Quinnipiac, St. Cloud State, Providence

No. 2 seeds: Boston College, Denver, Yale, Michigan

No. 3 seeds: Boston University, Notre Dame, Harvard, Massachusetts-Lowell

No. 4 seeds: Minnesota-Duluth, Michigan Tech, Minnesota, Robert Morris

Step three

Place the No. 1 seeds in regionals.

No. 1 North Dakota is placed in the West Regional in St. Paul.
No. 2 Quinnipiac is placed in the Northeast Regional in Worcester.
No. 3 St. Cloud State is placed in the Midwest Regional in Cincinnati.
No. 4 Providence is placed in the East Regional in Albany.

Step four

Now we place the other 12 teams so as to avoid intraconference matchups if possible.

Begin by filling in each bracket by banding groups. Remember that teams are not assigned to the regional closest to their campus sites by ranking order within the banding (unless you are a host school, in which case you must be assigned to your home regional).

If this is the case, as it was last year, then the committee should seed so that the quarterfinals are seeded such that the four regional championships would be played by No. 1 vs. No. 8, No. 2 vs. No. 7, No. 3 vs. No. 6 and No. 4 vs. No. 5.

So therefore:

No. 2 seeds

No. 8 Michigan is placed in No. 1 North Dakota’s regional, the West Regional.
No. 7 Yale is placed in No. 2 Quinnipiac’s regional, the Northeast Regional.
No. 6 Denver is placed in No. 3 St. Cloud State’s regional, the Midwest Regional.
No. 5 Boston College is placed in No. 4 Providence’s regional, the East Regional.

No. 3 seeds

Our bracketing system has one regional containing seeds 1, 8, 9, and 16; another with 2, 7, 10 and 15; another with 3, 6, 11 and 14; and another with 4, 5, 12 and 13.

No. 9 Boston University is placed in No. 8 Michigan’s regional, the West Regional.
No. 10 Notre Dame is placed in No. 7 Yale’s regional, the East Regional.
No. 11 Harvard is placed in No. 6 Denver’s regional, the Midwest Regional.
No. 12 Massachusetts-Lowell is placed in No. 5 Boston College’s regional, the East Regional.

No. 4 seeds

One more time, taking No. 16 vs. No. 1, No. 15 vs. No. 2, etc.

Since Minnesota is a host institution, we must place Minnesota in the West Regional.

No. 15 Minnesota is sent to No. 1 North Dakota’s regional, the West Regional.
No. 16 Robert Morris is sent to No. 2 Quinnipiac’s regional, the Northeast Regional.
No. 14 Michigan Tech is sent to No. 3 St. Cloud State’s regional, the Midwest Regional.
No. 13 Minnesota-Duluth is sent to No. 4 Providence’s regional, the East Regional.

The brackets as we have set them up:

East Regional (Albany):
13 Minnesota-Duluth vs. 4 Providence
12 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 5 Boston College

Northeast Regional (Worcester):
16 Robert Morris vs. 2 Quinnipiac
10 Notre Dame vs 7 Yale

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
14 Michigan Tech vs. 3 St. Cloud State
11 Harvard vs. 6 Denver

West Regional (St. Paul):
15 Minnesota vs. 1 North Dakota
9 Boston University vs. 8 Michigan

Our first concern is avoiding intraconference matchups. We have Massachusetts-Lowell vs. Boston College.

Like we did last week, let’s take a look at the third band and attendance drivers. We have to get Massachusetts-Lowell out of that spot, and the only team that can slot in there is Harvard, because all the other teams are Hockey East teams in that third band.

Therefore we know Harvard will play Boston College in Albany.

Now, how about the rest?

We have stated in previous blog posts that we would love to see Notre Dame in Cincinnati. So we put Notre Dame there.

Now, does Massachusetts-Lowell or Boston University get to go to Worcester? The higher seed does.

Thus, we have:

East Regional (Albany):
13 Minnesota-Duluth vs. 4 Providence
11 Harvard vs. 5 Boston College

Northeast Regional (Worcester):
16 Robert Morris vs. 2 Quinnipiac
9 Boston University vs 7 Yale

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
14 Michigan Tech vs. 3 St. Cloud State
10 Notre Dame vs. 6 Denver

West Regional (St. Paul):
15 Minnesota vs. 1 North Dakota
12 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 8 Michigan

We move onto attendance aspects of the bracket.

I still like Michigan in Cincinnati, so we swap the Wolverines with Denver.

East Regional (Albany):
13 Minnesota-Duluth vs. 4 Providence
11 Harvard vs. 5 Boston College

Northeast Regional (Worcester):
16 Robert Morris vs. 2 Quinnipiac
9 Boston University vs 7 Yale

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
14 Michigan Tech vs. 3 St. Cloud State
10 Notre Dame vs. 8 Michigan

West Regional (St. Paul):
15 Minnesota vs. 1 North Dakota
12 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 6 Denver

So that’s about all we can do for this week.

See you here next week for the final Bracketology before the conference championship weekend starts.

Here’s a summary of everything that we have covered.

This week’s brackets

East Regional (Albany):
13 Minnesota-Duluth vs. 4 Providence
11 Harvard vs. 5 Boston College

Northeast Regional (Worcester):
16 Robert Morris vs. 2 Quinnipiac
9 Boston University vs 7 Yale

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
14 Michigan Tech vs. 3 St. Cloud State
10 Notre Dame vs. 8 Michigan

West Regional (St. Paul):
15 Minnesota vs. 1 North Dakota
12 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 6 Denver

Conference breakdowns

Hockey East — 5
NCHC — 4
ECAC Hockey — 3
Big Ten — 2
WCHA — 1
Atlantic Hockey — 1

On the move

In: Minnesota-Duluth, Michigan Tech

Out: Omaha, Minnesota State

Attendance woes?

Cincinnati is looking a little better this week.

Last week’s brackets

East Regional (Albany):
13 Omaha vs. 4 Providence
11 Harvard vs. 5 Boston College

Northeast Regional (Worcester):
16 Minnesota State vs. 1 Quinnipiac
10 Boston University vs 8 Yale

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
15 Robert Morris vs. 3 St. Cloud State
9 Notre Dame vs. 6 Michigan

West Regional (St. Paul):
14 Minnesota vs. 2 North Dakota
12 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 7 Denver

318 COMMENTS

  1. And what happens if the Big 10 tosses them out of the conference?   I kind of hope it happens.  College hockey should remain sacred.  We don’t need any 88 million dollar programs.  Thanks but no thanks PSU.

  2. And what happens if the Big 10 tosses them out of the conference?   I kind of hope it happens.  College hockey should remain sacred.  We don’t need any 88 million dollar programs.  Thanks but no thanks PSU.

  3. Western Michigan has two games in hand on Miami, so WMU and Miami are actually in a virtual tie for second behind Notre Dame. Ohio State is the only other team above .500, and like WMU, has only played 12 league games. All the teams below the top four except Bowling Green have played 13 or 14 league games.

  4. Western Michigan has two games in hand on Miami, so WMU and Miami are actually in a virtual tie for second behind Notre Dame. Ohio State is the only other team above .500, and like WMU, has only played 12 league games. All the teams below the top four except Bowling Green have played 13 or 14 league games.

  5. Paula: Here is the Pumpkin Bread recipe:

    2 eggs beaten
    11/2 cups white sugar
    1 cup canned pumpkin (not pumpkin pie filling)
    1/2 cup veg oil
    1/4 cup water
    1/4 tsp baking powder
    1 tsp baking soda
    1/2 tsp cloves
    1/2 tsp cinnamon
    3/4 tsp salt
    12/3 cups flour
    1/2 cup raisins or nuts (optional)

    Combine eggs and sugar; mix well. Add Pumpkin, oil and water; blend well. Mix dry ingredients in a small bowl; add to pumpkin mixture. Grease and flour a 9×5″ loaf pan. Add raisins and nuts to batter and bake at 350 degrees for 40-50 minutes. Makes 1 loaf. This recipe can be easily doubled.

    I hope you enjoy it. I’ll tickle you on twitter to let you know it is posted here.

    Yostmeister

  6. Paula: Here is the Pumpkin Bread recipe:

    2 eggs beaten
    11/2 cups white sugar
    1 cup canned pumpkin (not pumpkin pie filling)
    1/2 cup veg oil
    1/4 cup water
    1/4 tsp baking powder
    1 tsp baking soda
    1/2 tsp cloves
    1/2 tsp cinnamon
    3/4 tsp salt
    12/3 cups flour
    1/2 cup raisins or nuts (optional)

    Combine eggs and sugar; mix well. Add Pumpkin, oil and water; blend well. Mix dry ingredients in a small bowl; add to pumpkin mixture. Grease and flour a 9×5″ loaf pan. Add raisins and nuts to batter and bake at 350 degrees for 40-50 minutes. Makes 1 loaf. This recipe can be easily doubled.

    I hope you enjoy it. I’ll tickle you on twitter to let you know it is posted here.

    Yostmeister

  7. If Tech didn’t have to play in Fargo, I’d give them the nod to get to the Frozen Four. They may steal one against SCSU, but UND will be tough to beat with the home ice advantage.

  8. I’ve attended the WCHA Final Five for many years now, and I was curious what the attendance and atmosphere would be like after the realignment.
    Friday’s games were very competitive but the crowd wasn’t nearly as excited about the tournament as it was for the Championship Game on Saturday night. Saturday’s atmosphere felt like the old WCHA, it was electric!
    I have to say, the Tech Fans are a blast to be around. They had a great following, with many witty chants and antics. They were louder than the MSU fans.
    Congrats to the new WCHA!

    • .
      “My father was a miner on the upper Malamute.
      My mother was a hostess in the house of ill repute.
      And at the tender age of three, they threw me on my ear,
      And there was nothing left for me to do but become an engineer.”
      .

      • See, that’s what I’m talking about…
        Some of the Tech Pep Band members were lining up in the isles like the MSU cheerleaders and mocking their routines. Awesome!

    • The MSU fans are wannabe Minnesota fans. They are completely weak. But most fans are weak compared to mtech. I absolutely love that bands cheers. Especially the ones where (since they are engineers) mock you after because “they don’t get it” lol best part of college hockey is the bands

  9. Attendance in St Paul was also affected by the NCHC tournament held 10 miles away and the Women’s Frozen Four played this past weekend.

  10. If the NCAA was smart they would send Sioux to MW as their fans travel, they should get to play 16 seed being #1 overall. and St Cloud is like an hour from St Paul. Attendance would still be good in St Paul and improve in Cinncy?

    • Michigan tech gets bumped out of that site then though which possibly hurts the attendance a little. UND probably wouldn’t get paired with a 14 by the committee and minny cant leave St. Paul (host school) so they would have to swap tech for Robert Morris. Also UND, being the number 1 overall, will get protected and kept closer to home.

      • Also im a college kid that doesnt have enough time or money to fly or drive to Cincy. I’ll take UND being in St. Paul hahah

      • But if they claim to keep bracket integrity and protecting the overall number 1 seed, they have to have 16 play number 1, unless they are from the same conference. This is exactly why you either need to keep integrity or get rid of host schools.

        • Are you afraid of a repeat from the last time the fighting Hawks played the gophers? You sound concerned that the fighting Hawks might have to play the gophers. I’ll bet you will even watch the big ten tournament, so you can keep an eye on the gophers.

      • I was just trying to comment on the bracket prediction, and not looking at getting in a battle of who is scared to play where with a fan of the clown college. Our team is loaded but in a one and done format you are never real confident, anything could happen, Hell St Cloud could even hang a banner although history shows that is very unlikely!

  11. If the NCAA was smart they would send Sioux to MW as their fans travel, they should get to play 16 seed being #1 overall. and St Cloud is like an hour from St Paul. Attendance would still be good in St Paul and improve in Cinncy?

    • Michigan tech gets bumped out of that site then though which possibly hurts the attendance a little. UND probably wouldn’t get paired with a 14 by the committee and minny cant leave St. Paul (host school) so they would have to swap tech for Robert Morris. Also UND, being the number 1 overall, will get protected and kept closer to home.

      • Also im a college kid that doesnt have enough time or money to fly or drive to Cincy. I’ll take UND being in St. Paul hahah

      • But if they claim to keep bracket integrity and protecting the overall number 1 seed, they have to have 16 play number 1, unless they are from the same conference. This is exactly why you either need to keep integrity or get rid of host schools.

        • Are you afraid of a repeat from the last time the fighting Hawks played the gophers? You sound concerned that the fighting Hawks might have to play the gophers. I’ll bet you will even watch the big ten tournament, so you can keep an eye on the gophers.

      • I was just trying to comment on the bracket prediction, and not looking at getting in a battle of who is scared to play where with a fan of the clown college. Our team is loaded but in a one and done format you are never real confident, anything could happen, Hell St Cloud could even hang a banner although history shows that is very unlikely!

    • It’s a 3 hour drive difference from Albany to Worcester compared to an almost 4-5 hour drive to St Paul (depending on if you live in Forks or Fargo). Will that actually deter a significant amount of people from driving to Albany to watch? Just curious more or less hahah

      • Boston to Albany is around 4 hours as well, while Boston to Worcester is under an hour. The big difference is whether people want to do the round trip without a hotel stay. Worcester? No problem. Albany requires a hotel stay unless you want to go there twice.

        Note that New Haven to Worcester is also much closer than New Haven-Albany, so it isn’t a slam-dunk.

        • I do understand the hotel issue. Out west, until last year at Fargo of course, its been a give in that you have to get a hotel to attend the regional and watch your team since regionals are more than likely a far drive. The way the East is much more packed together fans more than likely havent had to travel as much as we have so i guess that would have a bigger attendance effect.

    • It’s a 3 hour drive difference from Albany to Worcester compared to an almost 4-5 hour drive to St Paul (depending on if you live in Forks or Fargo). Will that actually deter a significant amount of people from driving to Albany to watch? Just curious more or less hahah

      • Boston to Albany is around 4 hours as well, while Boston to Worcester is under an hour. The big difference is whether people want to do the round trip without a hotel stay. Worcester? No problem. Albany requires a hotel stay unless you want to go there twice.

        Note that New Haven to Worcester is also much closer than New Haven-Albany, so it isn’t a slam-dunk.

        • I do understand the hotel issue. Out west, until last year at Fargo of course, its been a give in that you have to get a hotel to attend the regional and watch your team since regionals are more than likely a far drive. The way the East is much more packed together fans more than likely havent had to travel as much as we have so i guess that would have a bigger attendance effect.

  12. What a job Mel Pearson has done in Houghton. If you’d told me 5 years ago that Tech would get to 20 wins and the NCAA tournament (potentially) in back-to-back years I would’ve laughed

    • Yup. I was afraid that Tech had become a “stepping stone” program for coaches looking for that next step up the ladder. It might still be, but we won’t know for sure until Red Berenson decides to retire at Michigan. I can’t see Pearson leaving MTU for any other college job, but you never know.

  13. What a job Mel Pearson has done in Houghton. If you’d told me 5 years ago that Tech would get to 20 wins and the NCAA tournament (potentially) in back-to-back years I would’ve laughed. Not long ago, double digit wins was a good season for Tech.

    • Yup. I was afraid that Tech had become a “stepping stone” program for coaches looking for that next step up the ladder. It might still be, but we won’t know for sure until Red Berenson decides to retire at Michigan. I can’t see Pearson leaving MTU for any other college job, but you never know.

  14. We’ve reached the days where the Big Trash is stealing a tourney bid from teams in the top 16 just like Atlantic hockey usually has… priceless lol

          • You just have to actually take it in context. 20 wins is good, but would 20 wins be the same if it was played against high school teams? Strength of schedule says a lot. What if RM had the schedule Western Mich had? Would the have won 20 playing the hardest schedule. There is a reason, even with 21 wins and only 9 losses, that they only sit 21 in the pairwise. 50th hardest schedule.

          • They beat Michigan in Ann Arbor and should’ve swept them, and PSU and U Mass Lowell this year.

            Through no fault of their own, they’re in the weakest conference of them all. They still have to play the games that are scheduled in their conference.

          • Yeah, obviously. Thanks for the info captain obvious. And like I said before, 50th hardest schedule. I’d love to see how well they do in a conference like the NCHC or Hockey East.

          • As you would say, “thanks for the info captain obvious”.

            Or maybe Mr. Tourette’s?

            Or Mr. Autism?

          • Wrong. Playing cup cakes almost the whole season and beating them isn’t exactly an indication of “legit.”

      • Legit, yet they are still outside of the top 16 and will be stealing a spot from someone more deserving, PWR-wise.

        • Not exactly. The six league champions are the “deserving” teams. All the rest are mere at-large teams, and the PWR determines who those are, and for the most part how the brackets are formed. If your team didn’t win their championship, they have no right to whine about missing the tournament. Win, and everything takes care of itself.

          • I wouldn’t say the conference tournament champions are necessarily deserving. If you have a crap season, but somehow come together for the first round of conference playoffs and somehow manage to win the conference tourney, why would you be deserving if you had a losing record?

          • So, you’re saying if say Northeastern or Merrimack runs the table vs BC,BU, Providence and UML they wouldn’t be deserving?

          • Because you put together a string of 5 good games and win the conference tourney means more than actually having a quality overall season?

          • Again…..5 good games in a row. Would mean more if they put an entire good season together. Not just 5 or 6 games at the end.

          • What if Michigan St. runs the gauntlet of beating Ohio St., Michigan/Penn St., and Minnesota. Very deserving…….

          • CC would possibly have to win 4 games against teams in the top 6 of the pairwise. I think that might be a little more difficult than the scenario I wrote.

          • True dat. I wanted the NCHC supporters to consider the (admittedly remote) possibility of *their* doormat turning into Cinderella instead of Sparty. Better yet, along with Sparty. Then we could hear ’em try to argue that CC belonged but Sparty didn’t. *That* would be priceless.

          • You wouldn’t be talking about Duluth, would you? I don’t know if their current one game over .500 record is “crap”, but it certainly isn’t stellar.

          • But they are 13 in the pairwise right now. We are talking about teams outside of the top 16. If you come from outside the top 16 and get into the tourney by way of conference tournament, you are not deserving of it. You didn’t have a great year to be in that top 16, but are rewarded for having a good two or three week stretch.

          • “But they are 13 in the pairwise right now.” Which is way overrated. They can prove me wrong in the next couple of weeks, but they’ll have to earn it.

          • Why is it overrated? Do you feel the mathematics used for pairwise are wrong? They should be lower because their 2nd hardest schedule wasn’t hard enough?

          • They should be lower because they’re one game over .500, and have been fairly consistent – their “signature wins” against St. Cloud are cancelled out by losses to lower-echelon WCHA teams like Bemidji and Northern Michigan. They’ve got a .500 record out-of league. If they win this weekend, and especially if they win a semi-final, then I have no objection. Of course, if they win the NCHC tourny, they will have earned the champion’s position. Otherwise, give ’em the participation ribbon that they deserve and we’re done.

          • And again, strength of the teams each plays weighs a lot. 2nd hardest out of 60 teams, but that doesn’t mean anything. Lets give their spot to a team ranked 24 in the pairwise that had a cupcake 40th ranked schedule because that was some stiff competition they face.

          • That would be UMD’s bad luck for being in a conference that had the top 6 SoS ratings, wouldn’t it? But then again, they wanted to be in that conference, so…

            “You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred” – Super Chicken.

            Again, it’s all moot if UMD actually wins, right?

          • I *have* seen their record, both in and out of conference. THAT is a mediocre team. My opinion of them this week is a bit better because they cracked the magic .500 mark, and it’ll improve more (my motto: Winning Is Hard To Argue With) if they can advance in their tourney, but right now all they get from me is a participation ribbon.

          • So, how has Robert Morris looked these past few weeks? You’ve actually seen them play, right? Two can play at that game…
            Well done, indeed.

          • Sure! Did you see them (RMU) play? No? Yup… just like I thought. Haven’t watched them. Well done.
            Lol sorry. I had to.

            For what it’s worth, I listened to Tech’s audio stream (& just now looked at the highlights, which were pretty much all Tech). Sounded like they dominated. We’ll see if they can keep that up.
            And (you and Dale’ll like this), I went looking for a stream of UMD-Miami after the Tech game finished, and found the UMD call just in time to hear them start scoring in the third period. Hey – I asked for them to win more games, and (at least tonight) they did, and like I said before: it’s hard to argue with winning. I don’t think this by itself will be enough to make the NT, but at least UMD is in better shape than UNO (who somehow snuck past Cornell into 16th PWR, which gets them bumped by the AHA champ). Enjoy the rest of your evening, and good luck Saturday night.

          • So record is all that counts? You think RMU is a better team than UMD just because they have a better record? Isn’t that why the PWR was created to take into all data and come up with the best 16 teams to get into the tourney?

          • Please see my long-winded response to DU-Fan. Thanks. I think with your response that all of the NCHC fans on this board have weighed in, eh?

          • Glad you asked. For UMD, it’s a start but I don’t think that one win will be enough to get them in. I give them extra credit for coming back from two down in the third, but I don’t think that matters for PWR purposes. Presuming that the PWR is up to date, their positioning hasn’t changed. For RMU, nothing really changes for them, since they don’t make the national tourney without winning the AHA autobid, and they haven’t been eliminated yet.
            By the way, Bemidji won tonight, so I suppose UMD gets bonus points for that, eh? But, like I’d said before, I can’t argue with winning, and UMD won – that’s all I can ask of them. Good luck tomorrow night.

          • What do you mean by “way overrated”? Very easy for one to only look at UMD’s record, much more difficult to investigate further to find they have played the 2nd hardest SOS in college hockey. They also play in a league that has the top six in SOS. We should probably all just trust your judgement rather than the totally unbiased PWR rankings. Keep up the good work.

          • Sorry, but that SOS simply means “plays in the NCHC”, at least this year. I’ve duly noted that the top 7 SOS in the NCAA are NCHC teams. I’m looking at UMD’s out-of-conference schedule, and see a .500 record, with three of those losses against WCHA lesser lights. I’m happy for y’all, but UMD really have to win some games, you know? Like I’ve said elsewhere, If UMD takes care of some business in the NCHC tourney, they’ll have earned their way in. They can prove me wrong, we’ll see if they do. And as far as anybody trusting my judgement, that’s OK too, since I haven’t seen a whole lot that would lead me to trust yours, so we’ll call that a wash.

          • Don’t take my word for it, or anyone else’s. Just seems a little foolish arguing against a system the has no bias whatsoever. Why do you think “SOS simply means plays in the NCHC”? PWR and RPI rate teams on the entire year, not just the first 2 months where UMD played a majority of their OOC schedule.

          • You seem to be hung up on the idea that a computerized system has “no bias whatsoever”. When I started programming computers in 1970 (not a misprint, I *am* that old – Fortran on an IBM 360 mainframe), one of the first acronyms I was taught was “GIGO”, which as you may know stands for “Garbage In, Garbage Out”. Actually the PWR algorithm actually *is* biased in several ways, based on the explanations I have read. For instance, road wins or home losses count more than road losses or home wins – a clear bias. They also add weighting factors (ie: bias) to opponent’s records, and to opponent’s opponent’s records. This is how SOS is determined. So, we are clearly dealing with a biased system, and there’s no way around that. All that’s left then is to determine how much bias to apply at what points in the algorithm. And, since there have been tweaks made to the PWR algorithm since its inception (because the existing algorithm didn’t produce the expected results with a specific set of data – it happens all the time in the real world, despite the testers’ best intentions), we can infer that those biases are negotiable, presumably within the NCAA’s hockey committee.
            Still with me? I would claim that the algorithm applies too much bias to opponent’s and opponent’s opponent’s records, specifically for those opponents within a specific team’s conference. I’d reduce the weight for conference opponents, and increase it for out-of-conference opponents. Reason – the whole point is to differentiate between conferences, isn’t it? Conference games themselves give no indication whatsoever how a team is likely to perform out-of-conference. Now, I’m sure this exact argument has been used in the committee’s discussions, along with whatever counterarguments you and the others that I’ve been talking to might have, and the current algorithm is the result of those discussions.
            One last thing, and it kind of goes back to the “GIGO” thing. I was reminded by someone outside of this board whose opinion I respect that we’re dealing with an incomplete data set, and that the algorithm is really useless at this point. My specific point throughout this discussion has been that a team that’s only one game over .500 for the season has no business in the national tournament (barring an autobid, which of course is the primary method for getting in). I still believe that, and if someone, somehow actually does make it in under those circumstances, I’d chirp, and I’d bet dinner that the subject of tweaking the PWR would be discussed by the committee. But, there’s still two weekends worth of playoffs to go, which makes this week’s PWR completely moot.
            Well, it’s time to quit talking and fire up the streaming audio. Enjoy your games, and thanks for reading to the end.

          • Yes, exactly. If you are outside the top 16 and win a conference tourney, you are stealing a spot. Simple as that.

          • Completely wrong. The champions have stolen nothing. They’ve earned their position in the tournament. To be an at-large team means that you were not good enough to earn a champion’s position.

          • Champions position? So if some random atlantic hockey team knocks off Robert Morris, they are deserving, as opposed to a team sitting in 12 or 13 in the pairwise? HILARITY!

          • Absolutely. They have earned the right to be there the only way that they could. As opposed to the divine right of kings, I suppose. ARROGANCE!

          • Get real. A team that puts together 4 or 5 good games at conference tournament time is nowhere near deserving to take a spot away from someone that was consistent all year. Keep on smokin’ that crack.

          • Fine. I have no problem with the autobids going directly to the league regular-season champions. Of course, that means that the conference tournaments would be unnecessary. You’d lose the Cinderella angle, but is that really wanted when consistency is the goal?

          • Maybe they need to go back to auto bids for the league champion and tourney champion. And any spots left over go for at large bids.

          • Lol dude, what are you doing? You keep skipping over the fact that the AHC champ will take a spot from someone in the Top 16. Ok, we get it, RMU is good, but their RPI and PWR aren’t very good. Pump the brakes.

          • The notion of “champion” is a bit watered down. So a Cinderella plays 4 or 5 great games and then they are deserving of the national tourney after having a ridiculous regular season?

          • I don’t see how winning a conference tournament results in a “watered down” champion. This is kind of like saying the 2005 Pittsburgh Steelers were a watered down Super Bowl champion because they were only the 6 seed and as the last AFC team in they had to play 4 great games so they weren’t as deserving of being champion as Seattle or Indianapolis were that year.

            That, as they say, is why you play the games.

          • And you keep skipping over the fact that the champions have actually won something. Only in your world is losing better than winning. Should I call a tow truck for you? You look pretty much buried there, eh?

          • And yet, the AHC will still steal a spot from someone rated higher in the PWR. Which is exactly what the original post was talking about. Yikes….

          • As was said above, the AHA champion has earned their spot. You need to learn what it means to earn something.

        • Except that this year, they are a (pairwise) victim of their schedule in terms of strength of schedule and quality road wins vs being a benefactor (as in years past) of it. I wouldn’t want to play them in the first round.

          • I’m only commenting on the idea that they aren’t going to get in the tourney as an at large. So, yes, they are going to be stealing a spot. Btw, didn’t they lose to AIC and Army this year? I am pretty sure UND or QU would be pretty ok to have to play them over say, Minnesota. Not that RMU isn’t good, they are, they just don’t seem to be that good.

          • Yeah, good teams occasionally lose to bad teams. Things happen…..5 losses total on the year and schedule among the top 15 hardest….that’s deserving.

          • So, a loss isn’t really a loss in November? Hmmm. Doesn’t that flush the entire PWR system down the porcelain receptacle, since most of the non-conference games that SoS is based on happen early in the season? Does that also mean that the AHA and B1G are much stronger than advertised, since all those out-of-conference losses happened early? Sweet indeed.

          • And yet…. UND is still No. 1 in the PWR. Hence why it’s a poor example. Dude, you have too much time on your hands. If RMU beats a No. 1 overall seed, get back to me. Until then, you’re wasting your breath. RMU is a good team, but until they show it on a national scale, they are just the best of the worst.

          • “…until they show it on a national scale…”
            Which, based on your logic they cannot do, since you don’t think they deserve a position in the tournament. After all, they’d be “stealing” a spot from a (according to you) more deserving team.

            Definition of “more deserving team”:
            1. A NCHC team.
            2. A team that loses a lot, but they lose to “more deserving teams”

            I suppose I do have too much time on my hands. Retirement’s great. I recommend it highly.

          • Props on the retirement. You’re arguing “deserving” differently than I, that’s fine. Feel free to get back to me if RMU gets their chance to prove it in the tournament. My team is already in, regardless of having to “earn it”.

          • Just for perspective, which seems to be lacking around here, I seem to remember last year’s #1 overall seed losing to the AHA autobid in the first round.

          • Completely fair, but I don’t remember any other times that has happened. Do you? Seems like an outlier. Could RMU or any other No. 16 seed, presumably the AHA auto bid do it again? We’ll see. I’d be willing to go out on a limb and say no, but again, we’ll see.

          • RMU lost to the one team and tied the other team you mentioned in….wait for it, November. Your point?

          • You apparently aren’t aware of their history of upsetting top ranked teams almost annually.

  15. We’ve reached the days where the Big Trash is stealing a tourney bid from teams in the top 16 just like Atlantic hockey usually has… priceless lol

          • You just have to actually take it in context. 20 wins is good, but would 20 wins be the same if it was played against high school teams? Strength of schedule says a lot. What if RM had the schedule Western Mich had? Would the have won 20 playing the hardest schedule. There is a reason, even with 21 wins and only 9 losses, that they only sit 21 in the pairwise. 50th hardest schedule.

          • They beat Michigan in Ann Arbor and should’ve swept them, and PSU and U Mass Lowell this year.

            Through no fault of their own, they’re in the weakest conference of them all. They still have to play the games that are scheduled in their conference.

          • Yeah, obviously. Thanks for the info captain obvious. And like I said before, 50th hardest schedule. I’d love to see how well they do in a conference like the NCHC or Hockey East.

          • As you would say, “thanks for the info captain obvious”.

            Or maybe Mr. Tourette’s?

            Or Mr. Autism?

          • Wrong. Playing cup cakes almost the whole season and beating them isn’t exactly an indication of “legit.”

      • Legit, yet they are still outside of the top 16 and will be stealing a spot from someone more deserving, PWR-wise.

        • Not exactly. The six league champions are the “deserving” teams. All the rest are mere at-large teams, and the PWR determines who those are, and for the most part how the brackets are formed. If your team didn’t win their championship, they have no right to whine about missing the tournament. Win, and everything takes care of itself.

          • I wouldn’t say the conference tournament champions are necessarily deserving. If you have a crap season, but somehow come together for the first round of conference playoffs and somehow manage to win the conference tourney, why would you be deserving if you had a losing record?

          • So, you’re saying if say Northeastern or Merrimack runs the table vs BC,BU, Providence and UML they wouldn’t be deserving?

          • Because you put together a string of 5 good games and win the conference tourney means more than actually having a quality overall season?

          • Again…..5 good games in a row. Would mean more if they put an entire good season together. Not just 5 or 6 games at the end.

          • What if Michigan St. runs the gauntlet of beating Ohio St., Michigan/Penn St., and Minnesota. Very deserving…….

          • CC would possibly have to win 4 games against teams in the top 6 of the pairwise. I think that might be a little more difficult than the scenario I wrote.

          • True dat. I wanted the NCHC supporters to consider the (admittedly remote) possibility of *their* doormat turning into Cinderella instead of Sparty. Better yet, along with Sparty. Then we could hear ’em try to argue that CC belonged but Sparty didn’t. *That* would be priceless.

          • You wouldn’t be talking about Duluth, would you? I don’t know if their current one game over .500 record is “crap”, but it certainly isn’t stellar.

          • But they are 13 in the pairwise right now. We are talking about teams outside of the top 16. If you come from outside the top 16 and get into the tourney by way of conference tournament, you are not deserving of it. You didn’t have a great year to be in that top 16, but are rewarded for having a good two or three week stretch.

          • “But they are 13 in the pairwise right now.” Which is way overrated. They can prove me wrong in the next couple of weeks, but they’ll have to earn it.

          • Why is it overrated? Do you feel the mathematics used for pairwise are wrong? They should be lower because their 2nd hardest schedule wasn’t hard enough?

          • They should be lower because they’re one game over .500, and have been fairly consistent – their “signature wins” against St. Cloud are cancelled out by losses to lower-echelon WCHA teams like Bemidji and Northern Michigan. They’ve got a .500 record out-of league. If they win this weekend, and especially if they win a semi-final, then I have no objection. Of course, if they win the NCHC tourny, they will have earned the champion’s position. Otherwise, give ’em the participation ribbon that they deserve and we’re done.

          • And again, strength of the teams each plays weighs a lot. 2nd hardest out of 60 teams, but that doesn’t mean anything. Lets give their spot to a team ranked 24 in the pairwise that had a cupcake 40th ranked schedule because that was some stiff competition they face.

          • That would be UMD’s bad luck for being in a conference that had the top 6 SoS ratings, wouldn’t it? But then again, they wanted to be in that conference, so…

            “You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred” – Super Chicken.

            Again, it’s all moot if UMD actually wins, right?

          • I *have* seen their record, both in and out of conference. THAT is a mediocre team. My opinion of them this week is a bit better because they cracked the magic .500 mark, and it’ll improve more (my motto: Winning Is Hard To Argue With) if they can advance in their tourney, but right now all they get from me is a participation ribbon.

          • So, how has Robert Morris looked these past few weeks? You’ve actually seen them play, right? Two can play at that game…
            Well done, indeed.

          • Sure! Did you see them (RMU) play? No? Yup… just like I thought. Haven’t watched them. Well done.
            Lol sorry. I had to.

            For what it’s worth, I listened to Tech’s audio stream (& just now looked at the highlights, which were pretty much all Tech). Sounded like they dominated. We’ll see if they can keep that up.
            And (you and Dale’ll like this), I went looking for a stream of UMD-Miami after the Tech game finished, and found the UMD call just in time to hear them start scoring in the third period. Hey – I asked for them to win more games, and (at least tonight) they did, and like I said before: it’s hard to argue with winning. I don’t think this by itself will be enough to make the NT, but at least UMD is in better shape than UNO (who somehow snuck past Cornell into 16th PWR, which gets them bumped by the AHA champ). Enjoy the rest of your evening, and good luck Saturday night.

          • So record is all that counts? You think RMU is a better team than UMD just because they have a better record? Isn’t that why the PWR was created to take into all data and come up with the best 16 teams to get into the tourney?

          • Please see my long-winded response to DU-Fan. Thanks. I think with your response that all of the NCHC fans on this board have weighed in, eh?

          • Glad you asked. For UMD, it’s a start but I don’t think that one win will be enough to get them in. I give them extra credit for coming back from two down in the third, but I don’t think that matters for PWR purposes. Presuming that the PWR is up to date, their positioning hasn’t changed. For RMU, nothing really changes for them, since they don’t make the national tourney without winning the AHA autobid, and they haven’t been eliminated yet.
            By the way, Bemidji won tonight, so I suppose UMD gets bonus points for that, eh? But, like I’d said before, I can’t argue with winning, and UMD won – that’s all I can ask of them. Good luck tomorrow night.

          • What do you mean by “way overrated”? Very easy for one to only look at UMD’s record, much more difficult to investigate further to find they have played the 2nd hardest SOS in college hockey. They also play in a league that has the top six in SOS. We should probably all just trust your judgement rather than the totally unbiased PWR rankings. Keep up the good work.

          • Sorry, but that SOS simply means “plays in the NCHC”, at least this year. I’ve duly noted that the top 7 SOS in the NCAA are NCHC teams. I’m looking at UMD’s out-of-conference schedule, and see a .500 record, with three of those losses against WCHA lesser lights. I’m happy for y’all, but UMD really have to win some games, you know? Like I’ve said elsewhere, If UMD takes care of some business in the NCHC tourney, they’ll have earned their way in. They can prove me wrong, we’ll see if they do. And as far as anybody trusting my judgement, that’s OK too, since I haven’t seen a whole lot that would lead me to trust yours, so we’ll call that a wash.

          • Don’t take my word for it, or anyone else’s. Just seems a little foolish arguing against a computerized system that has no bias whatsoever. Why do you think “SOS simply means plays in the NCHC”? PWR and RPI rate teams on the entire year, not just the first 2 months where UMD played a majority of their OOC schedule.

          • You seem to be hung up on the idea that a computerized system has “no bias whatsoever”. When I started programming computers in 1970 (not a misprint, I *am* that old – Fortran on an IBM 360 mainframe), one of the first acronyms I was taught was “GIGO”, which as you may know stands for “Garbage In, Garbage Out”. Actually the PWR algorithm actually *is* biased in several ways, based on the explanations I have read. For instance, road wins or home losses count more than road losses or home wins – a clear bias. They also add weighting factors (ie: bias) to opponent’s records, and to opponent’s opponent’s records. This is how SOS is determined. So, we are clearly dealing with a biased system, and there’s no way around that. All that’s left then is to determine how much bias to apply at what points in the algorithm. And, since there have been tweaks made to the PWR algorithm since its inception (because the existing algorithm didn’t produce the expected results with a specific set of data – it happens all the time in the real world, despite the testers’ best intentions), we can infer that those biases are negotiable, presumably within the NCAA’s hockey committee.
            Still with me? I would claim that the algorithm applies too much bias to opponent’s and opponent’s opponent’s records, specifically for those opponents within a specific team’s conference. I’d reduce the weight for conference opponents, and increase it for out-of-conference opponents. Reason – the whole point is to differentiate between conferences, isn’t it? Conference games themselves give no indication whatsoever how a team is likely to perform out-of-conference. Now, I’m sure this exact argument has been used in the committee’s discussions, along with whatever counterarguments you and the others that I’ve been talking to might have, and the current algorithm is the result of those discussions.
            One last thing, and it kind of goes back to the “GIGO” thing. I was reminded by someone outside of this board whose opinion I respect that we’re dealing with an incomplete data set, and that the algorithm is really useless at this point. My specific point throughout this discussion has been that a team that’s only one game over .500 for the season has no business in the national tournament (barring an autobid, which of course is the primary method for getting in). I still believe that, and if someone, somehow actually does make it in under those circumstances, I’d chirp, and I’d bet dinner that the subject of tweaking the PWR would be discussed by the committee. But, there’s still two weekends worth of playoffs to go, which makes this week’s PWR completely moot.
            Well, it’s time to quit talking and fire up the streaming audio. Enjoy your games, and thanks for reading to the end.

          • Yes, exactly. If you are outside the top 16 and win a conference tourney, you are stealing a spot. Simple as that.

          • Completely wrong. The champions have stolen nothing. They’ve earned their position in the tournament. To be an at-large team means that you were not good enough to earn a champion’s position.

          • Champions position? So if some random atlantic hockey team knocks off Robert Morris, they are deserving, as opposed to a team sitting in 12 or 13 in the pairwise? HILARITY!

          • Absolutely. They have earned the right to be there the only way that they could. As opposed to the divine right of kings, I suppose. ARROGANCE!

          • Get real. A team that puts together 4 or 5 good games at conference tournament time is nowhere near deserving to take a spot away from someone that was consistent all year. Keep on smokin’ that crack.

          • Fine. I have no problem with the autobids going directly to the league regular-season champions. Of course, that means that the conference tournaments would be unnecessary. You’d lose the Cinderella angle, but is that really wanted when consistency is the goal?

          • Maybe they need to go back to auto bids for the league champion and tourney champion. And any spots left over go for at large bids.

          • Lol dude, what are you doing? You keep skipping over the fact that the AHC champ will take a spot from someone in the Top 16. Ok, we get it, RMU is good, but their RPI and PWR aren’t very good. Pump the brakes.

          • The notion of “champion” is a bit watered down. So a Cinderella plays 4 or 5 great games and then they are deserving of the national tourney after having a ridiculous regular season?

          • I don’t see how winning a conference tournament results in a “watered down” champion. This is kind of like saying the 2005 Pittsburgh Steelers were a watered down Super Bowl champion because they were only the 6 seed and as the last AFC team in they had to play 4 great games so they weren’t as deserving of being champion as Seattle or Indianapolis were that year.

            That, as they say, is why you play the games.

          • And you keep skipping over the fact that the champions have actually won something. Only in your world is losing better than winning. Should I call a tow truck for you? You look pretty much buried there, eh?

          • And yet, the AHC will still steal a spot from someone rated higher in the PWR. Which is exactly what the original post was talking about. Yikes….

          • As was said above, the AHA champion has earned their spot. You need to learn what it means to earn something.

        • Except that this year, they are a (pairwise) victim of their schedule in terms of strength of schedule and quality road wins vs being a benefactor (as in years past) of it. I wouldn’t want to play them in the first round.

          • I’m only commenting on the idea that they aren’t going to get in the tourney as an at large. So, yes, they are going to be stealing a spot. Btw, didn’t they lose to AIC and Army this year? I am pretty sure UND or QU would be pretty ok to have to play them over say, Minnesota. Not that RMU isn’t good, they are, they just don’t seem to be that good.

          • Yeah, good teams occasionally lose to bad teams. Things happen…..5 losses total on the year and schedule among the top 15 hardest….that’s deserving.

          • So, a loss isn’t really a loss in November? Hmmm. Doesn’t that flush the entire PWR system down the porcelain receptacle, since most of the non-conference games that SoS is based on happen early in the season? Does that also mean that the AHA and B1G are much stronger than advertised, since all those out-of-conference losses happened early? Sweet indeed.

          • And yet…. UND is still No. 1 in the PWR. Hence why it’s a poor example. Dude, you have too much time on your hands. If RMU beats a No. 1 overall seed, get back to me. Until then, you’re wasting your breath. RMU is a good team, but until they show it on a national scale, they are just the best of the worst.

          • “…until they show it on a national scale…”
            Which, based on your logic they cannot do, since you don’t think they deserve a position in the tournament. After all, they’d be “stealing” a spot from a (according to you) more deserving team.

            Definition of “more deserving team”:
            1. A NCHC team.
            2. A team that loses a lot, but they lose to “more deserving teams”

            I suppose I do have too much time on my hands. Retirement’s great. I recommend it highly.

          • Props on the retirement. You’re arguing “deserving” differently than I, that’s fine. Feel free to get back to me if RMU gets their chance to prove it in the tournament. My team is already in, regardless of having to “earn it”.

          • Just for perspective, which seems to be lacking around here, I seem to remember last year’s #1 overall seed losing to the AHA autobid in the first round.

          • Completely fair, but I don’t remember any other times that has happened. Do you? Seems like an outlier. Could RMU or any other No. 16 seed, presumably the AHA auto bid do it again? We’ll see. I’d be willing to go out on a limb and say no, but again, we’ll see.

          • RMU lost to the one team and tied the other team you mentioned in….wait for it, November. Your point?

          • You apparently aren’t aware of their history of upsetting top ranked teams almost annually.

  16. For bracket integrity why is BU not in the west region. You’ve got the 2nd 2 not the fourth with the overall number 1.

  17. For bracket integrity why is BU not in the west region. You’ve got the 2nd 2 not the fourth with the overall number 1.

    • Sounds like you are afraid of your fighting Hawks having to play the gophers. According to you, the gophers are the worst team ever. Not sure why you sound so nervous then.

      • Who said anything about being nervous. Those are your own words. I asked what happened to bracket integrity that they are always preaching with always protecting the overall number 1 seed.

    • God, what a crybaby. Minnesota is a host school. It is either move UND to Cincinatti or have them play the Gophers in St. Paul. You have complained about both! Why would you even care about having to play the Gophers? They are awful.

      • Yeah, I can totally see why NoDak would need to be protected from #15 Minnesota. Funny how they never seemed to mind going into St. Paul for Final Fives every year, amirite? Of course, if UND loses in their tournament, they can drop out of that nasty #1 seed and maybe go east where they’ll feel safe.

        • And when was the last time the #1 overall seed didn’t play the #16 seed? You can’t preach about bracket integrity last month and say the #2 overall seed should play the #15, not #16 seed and then flip flop that statement this month. Which is exactly what was said a month ago.

          • You might want to address your scolding to someone who actually *was* preaching about bracket integrity. I don’t necessarily disagree with you. However, as we have seen in previous columns, and in the committee’s actual practice, seeds get moved around all the time – both to avoid first-round conference matchups, and to try to boost attendance at specific sites. I have no problem with any of that. Of course, I’m not in a panic about having to play a rival from a league that I’ve bad-mouthed since it’s inception either…

          • Minnesota is the host team, they MUST play in St. Paul. UND as the #1 seed gets to play closest to home.

          • Agree, but would you want them to ship the Sioux to Worcester to play RMU? That is really the only option with Gophers at #15.

          • That would work perfectly by the numbers. By keeping Michigan in Cincy, you would have #1/#8 matchup also. Would Sioux fans prefer travel to Cincy over St.Paul though?

          • Might be harder, but we do travel. I think UND fans are spread out around the country. I think Cincy would be hurting for fans no matter who was there. Its still 4 hours for Michigan, and who knows how well they travel.

          • I agree, Cincy will be hurting for fans unless Miami wins our tourney. Even then, don’t know how much it would help. That is what the NC$$ gets for picking these sites that are not conducive to college hockey. How many Packers fans attended Green Bay regional?

      • I’m well aware that the rodents are a host team. They are the stupid host every other year. Then they would move UND to Cincy. Each year Moy talks about having to protect the overall number 1 seed by having them play number 16….but apparently he just throws that out the door here. Plus, the host school thing has to go. Create regionals and then start placing teams based on pairwise.

        • Choker, don’t worry about playing Goldy in St Paul. They’re going to lose to no matter who they play in that regional, regardless. That’s IF they make the tournament.

          • I’d love for UND to be in St. Paul, then I can go cause its a lot closer than Cincy. But its just amazing that week after week, Moy preaches about having to protect the overall number 1 and then doesn’t mention a single thing about it this week.

          • You cannot fix stupid! we get on here to discuss bracketology and get attacked as being scared of the Gophers. Maybe if this clowns team was in contention more often he would know that storied programs like ours do not worry about such petty BS as Tipsy McSlappy is arguing about. Go Sioux!

          • Simply amazing one can say it should be 1 vs 16 and that immediately means you are scared of the ground rodents. Hilarious.

        • You complain no matter what. This was you last week: “The almighty selection committee has pulled some bonehead moves before……you’d think a higher seed would be the closest to home…but they’ve shipped teams off for really no reason or their so called “attendance” BS” So he puts you closer to home and you complain anyway.Fighting Hawks fans wanting to be “protected” from the mighty Gophers.

          • Please remind me where I said protected from the rodents? Go ahead and find it. You’ll be looking for a while. We are talking about actual bracket integrity.

          • “I love how Moy makes ZERO mention of bracket integrity and protecting the overall number 1 seed.” You are asking for the number 1 seed (UND) to be protected from the number 15 seed (Gophers). Bracket integrity isn’t destroyed by having the #1 seed play the 15, who happens to be tied for 17th in the PWR, instead of the 16, who is 21st in the PWR.

          • Nice try to spin words. That is definitely not even close. If you could comprehend what you are reading. I said number 1 should be protected in playing number 16. They have stated this year after year, but for some reason it doesn’t apply there.

          • You are sure worried about the Gophers opponent! I never once mentioned a teams name, I just said 1 should play 16, could be the Gophers and that is fine! Now if I was worried about which bracket I want to be in I would want to avoid the West, and not because of the Gophers but I would not want to play Denver in the Regional final as they are one of the hottest teams in the country right now. So get off your Gopher high horse and look a little further down the line. But I know Huskie fans are not used to looking at the big picture as it is usually one and done!

  18. So much for bracket integrity. So number 1 overall doesn’t get number 16? I love how Moy makes ZERO mention of bracket integrity and protecting the overall number 1 seed.

    • Sounds like you are afraid of your fighting Hawks having to play the gophers. According to you, the gophers are the worst team ever. Not sure why you sound so nervous then.

      • Who said anything about being nervous. Those are your own words. I asked what happened to bracket integrity that they are always preaching with always protecting the overall number 1 seed.

    • God, what a crybaby. Minnesota is a host school. It is either move UND to Cincinatti or have them play the Gophers in St. Paul. You have complained about both! Why would you even care about having to play the Gophers? They are awful.

      • Yeah, I can totally see why NoDak would need to be protected from #15 Minnesota. Funny how they never seemed to mind going into St. Paul for Final Fives every year, amirite? Of course, if UND loses in their tournament, they can drop out of that nasty #1 seed and maybe go east where they’ll feel safe.

        • And when was the last time the #1 overall seed didn’t play the #16 seed? You can’t preach about bracket integrity last month and say the #2 overall seed should play the #15, not #16 seed and then flip flop that statement this month. Which is exactly what was said a month ago.

          • You might want to address your scolding to someone who actually *was* preaching about bracket integrity. I don’t necessarily disagree with you. However, as we have seen in previous columns, and in the committee’s actual practice, seeds get moved around all the time – both to avoid first-round conference matchups, and to try to boost attendance at specific sites. I have no problem with any of that. Of course, I’m not in a panic about having to play a rival from a league that I’ve bad-mouthed since it’s inception either…

          • Minnesota is the host team, they MUST play in St. Paul. UND as the #1 seed gets to play closest to home.

          • Agree, but would you want them to ship the Sioux to Worcester to play RMU? That is really the only option with Gophers at #15.

          • That would work perfectly by the numbers. By keeping Michigan in Cincy, you would have #1/#8 matchup also. Would Sioux fans prefer travel to Cincy over St.Paul though?

          • Might be harder, but we do travel. I think UND fans are spread out around the country. I think Cincy would be hurting for fans no matter who was there. Its still 4 hours for Michigan, and who knows how well they travel.

          • I agree, Cincy will be hurting for fans unless Miami wins our tourney. Even then, don’t know how much it would help. That is what the NC$$ gets for picking these sites that are not conducive to college hockey. How many Packers fans attended Green Bay regional?

      • I’m well aware that the rodents are a host team. They are the stupid host every other year. Then they would move UND to Cincy. Each year Moy talks about having to protect the overall number 1 seed by having them play number 16….but apparently he just throws that out the door here. Plus, the host school thing has to go. Create regionals and then start placing teams based on pairwise.

        • Choker, don’t worry about playing Goldy in St Paul. They’re going to lose to no matter who they play in that regional, regardless. That’s IF they make the tournament.

          • I’d love for UND to be in St. Paul, then I can go cause its a lot closer than Cincy. But its just amazing that week after week, Moy preaches about having to protect the overall number 1 and then doesn’t mention a single thing about it this week.

          • You cannot fix stupid! we get on here to discuss bracketology and get attacked as being scared of the Gophers. Maybe if this clowns team was in contention more often he would know that storied programs like ours do not worry about such petty BS as Tipsy McSlappy is arguing about. Go Sioux!

          • Simply amazing one can say it should be 1 vs 16 and that immediately means you are scared of the ground rodents. Hilarious.

        • You complain no matter what. This was you last week: “The almighty selection committee has pulled some bonehead moves before……you’d think a higher seed would be the closest to home…but they’ve shipped teams off for really no reason or their so called “attendance” BS” So he puts you closer to home and you complain anyway.Fighting Hawks fans wanting to be “protected” from the mighty Gophers.

          • Please remind me where I said protected from the rodents? Go ahead and find it. You’ll be looking for a while. We are talking about actual bracket integrity.

          • “I love how Moy makes ZERO mention of bracket integrity and protecting the overall number 1 seed.” You are asking for the number 1 seed (UND) to be protected from the number 15 seed (Gophers). Bracket integrity isn’t destroyed by having the #1 seed play the 15, who happens to be tied for 17th in the PWR, instead of the 16, who is 21st in the PWR.

          • Nice try to spin words. That is definitely not even close. If you could comprehend what you are reading. I said number 1 should be protected in playing number 16. They have stated this year after year, but for some reason it doesn’t apply there.

          • You are sure worried about the Gophers opponent! I never once mentioned a teams name, I just said 1 should play 16, could be the Gophers and that is fine! Now if I was worried about which bracket I want to be in I would want to avoid the West, and not because of the Gophers but I would not want to play Denver in the Regional final as they are one of the hottest teams in the country right now. So get off your Gopher high horse and look a little further down the line. But I know Huskie fans are not used to looking at the big picture as it is usually one and done!

  19. So, you swap 50% of the teams from one regional…..because of attendance? This is why CH needs an overhaul. Am I the only one who considers the CH playoffs a bit of a farce?

  20. So, you swap 50% of the teams from one regional…..because of attendance? This is why CH needs an overhaul. Am I the only one who considers the CH playoffs a bit of a farce?

      • But UND is #1 and Denver is 6. The best 1 seed shouldn’t be in a region with the 2nd best 2 seed, whom also happens to be the hottest team in the country.

      • But UND is #1 and Denver is 6. The best 1 seed shouldn’t be in a region with the 2nd best 2 seed, whom also happens to be the hottest team in the country.

  21. Tech, Michigan, the Domers, and St. Cloud in Cinci? That’s probably as good an attendance fit as you’re going to get there, presuming Miami or Ohio State couldn’t grab a surprise autobid. Better yet, throw money at the NCAA and have them move that group to Detroit and we can have Son of Great Lakes Invitational.

      • I’m originally from the Detroit area, so I have family and favorite places. Cinci, not so much, but once you get out of town that area’s a fun place to ride a motorcycle. I hear the chili’s OK too…

  22. Tech, Michigan, the Domers, and St. Cloud in Cinci? That’s probably as good an attendance fit as you’re going to get there, presuming Miami or Ohio State couldn’t grab a surprise autobid. Better yet, throw money at the NCAA and have them move that group to Detroit and we can have Son of Great Lakes Invitational.

      • I’m originally from the Detroit area, so I have family and favorite places. Cinci, not so much, but once you get out of town that area’s a fun place to ride a motorcycle. I hear the chili’s OK too…

    • As long as teams from the same league don’t play each other in the first game, there is no problem. If you bothered to look at other brackets you would see NCHC (West) and ECAC (East) in the same regional.

    • As long as teams from the same league don’t play each other in the first game, there is no problem. If you bothered to look at other brackets you would see two NCHC (West) and two HE (East) in the same regional.

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